ABB India Limited

Quarter ended Mar 2026

2026-05-08 Transcript PDF
Moderator

Thank you very much. T he first question is from the line of Renu Pugalia from IIFL Capital. Please go ahead.

IIFL Capital

Good evening, team. My first question is on the private sector investment revival that you were expecting sometime around early this calendar year. So do you see -- as you have briefly highlighted, but do you see the customer sentiments getting materially impacted on decision - making and closure beyond the process automation within the core business segments. And also any likely budgetary impact on cash flows ? Can that derail or postpone the infra spend which is in the moderate growth category that you have highlighted in terms of order flows? That's first question. And second would be on the recent capex that you've announced . How do we see the export portfolio ramping up and our exposure to data centers in terms of local product footprint expanding with the recent localization of plans that we've announced on the new capex?

T. K. Sridhar

Okay. So Renu, I think the first question is around the market. I think we have -- on the private capex, we have Kiran and Ganesh, who could give an el ectrification view of how the private capex happening, and we have Balaji . And so for the motion piece of it, I think they will all -- their commentary will also cover in a way directionally that's because we don't have Sanjeev on the line. So, but I but I think we will try to answer that from this, right? On the capex part of it, which is the $75 million, what we said or -- and not $75 million, that’s for the total ABB excluding the Hyderabad labs, is probably lesser. So we will -- I will give you a color at the end. So Kiran , if you would like to take the question and then we pass it on to Ganesh.

T. K. Sridhar

We lost a bit of a connection in between, a technical glitch, right? So, but in our thoughts, we are now gathered together as to what we need to answer. Over to you. Kiran, back to you.

Kiran Dutt

Thank you.

T. K. Sridhar

Capex.

Kiran Dutt

Thank you. I think we were speaking about private capex and then I was talking about data centers as well. I was also talking hyperscale and colocation both getting into investments, and we are in some very good investments coming in at the same time, orders for us as well. I was also talking about railways and renewables . Rail, we are talking about both in terms of rolling stocks at the same, we're also talking about the station development and innovation projects, extremely good inflow of capex there. We are also looking at renewables, specifically, I was talking about the best systems, which is extremely promising for us, and we are able to get great orders in the first quarter. The last point I wanted to make is on the building side , it’s quite mixed scenario at this point of time. On the [inaudible] are seeing a very good numbers, but at the same time, residential side, while the mid and the lower end is a bit of a challenge, but at the premium segment s, we see a very good opportunity. So that's what from my end. Maybe Ganesh, if you can add your thoughts.

Ganesh Kothawade

No. Kiran, you almost covered the segments which are looking promising. Like what you see data center is very strong renewables is also coming up very strong, and it's reflecting in our order book also and the opportunity pipeline, which is getting showed. And there is a private investment, which is coming in even the industry side, we have seen a couple of very strong inquiries, which are in the pipeline. So we are very optimistic about the investment, which is coming from the private side.

T. K. Sridhar

Very good. Balaji, if you are there.

G. Balaji

Yes, from an automation side, firstly, I just want to qualify that there is a certain life cycle and of a project, especially in the early stages, and it follows a pattern and typically automation comes towards the end of ordering. We see a strong pipeline. However, there are industries that depend upon petroleum products as their raw materials, that is a little bit of stress. We see that this could be a temporary one. Having said that from both public sector and private sectors, the inquiry bank is quite strong. And those inquiries which is already issued, they are proceeding. And unfortunately, due to the nature of the stage, I'm not able to call out those specific segments. But there is a very strong pipeline and quite a strong movement towards closure of orders.

IIFL Capital

Sure. Can we conclude that basis, while you have seen execution headwinds because of the West Asia crisis, ordering momentum or process has not seen any derailment or postponement from customers because of the ongoing inflationary trends or the West Asia crisis . Is that right? Or there is some impact? That was my question.

Kiran Dutt

See, you have looked at our order growth, right. So that itself very clearly reflects the way we are in the position now. On electrification side, [inaudible] that shows the kind of robustness in terms of investment in India. And that's where we are also able to get a portion of that pie. And that's the reason why we are showing that.

T. K. Sridhar

So I think there was one question which Renu had raised about the investments, how much this is going to help us. I think, as you have already heard in the past, ABB sees that there is definitely a market which is developing for the products and services what we are manufacturing. So [inaudible] future market opportunities -- to serve the future market opportunities. So this is basically coming from right products expansion. We have the service expansion for motion and also have in EL, the smart products manufacturing also increasing quite extensively going forward , right. So that's the plan, what we have. And I think we will hear more as we go into the few quarters as these projects are getting commissioned.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Amit Mahawar from UBS. Please go ahead.

Yes. Hi, Sridhar. I just have two questions. First is, do you think this is going to be a year where we will have a lot of lumpy orders, which is basically going to be part of the intake ? And more importantly, and you can specify if this is going to be a strong high -double-digit growth year for orders? And second is on profitability. If I look at the parent commentary, obviously, EL was a very, very strong ind icator. And we also saw that in some bit in our results in terms of top line growth. Do you think the profitability this year can be significantly better than last year? And I understand the short cycle weakness is still holding up. So any color on the profitability? I know we don't give guidance, and we have variations in this quarter. But the balance of the year, any color on profitability because I can see a lot of initiatives by the parent. So I just want to understand how is India positioned?

T. K. Sridhar

Okay. There is limited knowledge of how the parents are profitable, if you understand, they have the balancing power of -- for again in countries, which are exporting, right? To economies which has weaker depreciation in currency and that's an compensating upside, right? So which -- whereas you don't have it. So that's an intrinsic advantage what they have. And also their growth, if you look at it in the [Inaudible] in the supply. And so their ability to get a premium is far, far higher , right? So therefore, what I mean to say is yardstick of the global performance to compare the India performance is something I think we cannot work it, right? So that's this thing. So now coming to India performance as such. I mean going ahead, we have in backlog of INR11,000 crores, I think we'll have to execute. So what is probably , which we will have the lever is around the capacity absorptions, which will really help us going forward. That means the velocity of revenue conversion has to increase depending upon what the customer off take is, right? But whereas if you look at the pricing, the support to get more probability is something which is now saturated compared to the previous. Right? So now you have a lever of volume, which could pull up the margins, but you have the other impacts of the forex and the commodity, which is not in our control, which is basically more than offsetting what you can also do on a volume basis. So I think what we expect is that, I think we should be able to mitigate this risk of forex and material volatility at this point of time. With the volume, which we see. But I think we need to work more on how the market develops in terms of accepting more price increases to the market. So that is more color, which I could give at this point of time on it.

So when we talk to channel partners across you and your peers, there's a very clear short cycle weakness as we speak for different reasons. It's been there for 2 years. Do you think this is a year where your base business can grow top line by 15% and large order, I can already see last 2 quarters are very, very strong, and we have a good pipeline. So collectively, the intake for it to move towards a different run rate , do you think this is too early for us to comment or in next 2, 3 quarters, we can see base orders shifting because there is a restocking cycle for last 2 years. So when you comment on base business, Sridhar, that will be helpful?

T. K. Sridhar

So I think Amit base business, we grew at 9%, not the 15% of , right? So that means we definitely see the channel partners. I don't know whom you have spoken wih, I think what we see is that there is a market velocity which is there. It's not that the market is bad, but I think it's more about the timing of it, right? So it could be a bit of a, as you rightly said, choppy bit of situation. But the good part is that there are opportunities, and we are confident these will convert into orders for ABB.

Moderator

The next question is from the line of Parikshit Kandpal from HDFC Securities.

HDFC Securities

My first question is what kind of inflationary pricing actions we have taken across businesses to mitigate the impact of inflation so if can quantify the price you have taken to mitigate this across these businesses?

T. K. Sridhar

Commodity inflation. Okay. So we are a product business . That's what it is. If you look at it, we have more than 70% of our business is always -- I mean, even though we call it a short cycle, it will have some lag. So therefore, we always have a lag to impact the price because that’s something, which we as a business, take a strategic decision to revise the prices. So to add more color to it, I think I could invite Kiran to give a bit of more insight on this as to how do we manage these price increases.

Kiran Dutt

Absolutely. At the end of the day, there any price increase in the we have done -- so go for a price increase. We have already gone for two price increases is public anyway. And that's the way. And as Sridhar said, there is a lag between the prices which are impacting the costs which are impacting and the price increase in the market. And that's what we need to manage, and that's what we have done. We already have taken two price increases now.

HDFC Securities

And can you quantify, sir, how much is the percentage increase?

T. K. Sridhar

So that's something which is very sensitive for us to disclose. I don't think it's an answer which we could give, please.

HDFC Securities

Second question is on data center, sir. So on data centers now, I mean we are maybe going from 2 gigawatt to maybe 10 gigawatt in 4, 5 years. And there would be a significant ramp -up from the hyperscaler side. So I think initially, inventory, you did mention about 4, 5 product lines there. So just wanted to understand how is the TAM increasing as hyperscalers gain market share in this tax effect -- and also if you can help understand what are you doing on the substation side of it?

T. K. Sridhar

Ganesh?

Ganesh Kothawade

Yes. See, as you very rightly said quite a lot investment, which is happening on the data center, not only in the Hyperscale, but even the Colocation and the Edge Data Center . And our portfolio is very well positioned across the electrification as well as all other products to really take on into this particular job ; and we are also actually matching the capacities as per the requirement because many of these hyperscalers has already signed right contracts with us. and we are very well positioned to capture this particular market. In fact, we are building up the capacity to meet their demand.

HDFC Securities

Substation side, what I exactly going to do and also the opportunity in terms of TAM, what is like our per megawatt opportunity addressable opportunity now with this ramp up? The capex is INR80 crores, INR90 crores or INR50 crores to INR100 crores, what would be our per megawatt opportunity there? And on substation side what would exactly want to do it…?

Sanjeev Sharma

So as we have discussed in the past and also in a slide today that we have different opportunities in the data center, which is a direct opportunity within customer by the power supply bringing a medium voltage input to this where they want to set up the data center . So that medium voltage, stay kind of switch gear and the associated equipment. That's where our scope is. And after that, it gets stepped down and goes into voltage distribution to the power rack or rather the computer racks, that's another scope. And by the UPS and also in the utilities and ancillaries, we have drives and motors going. So that's the typical scope we have in India as well as globally. Yes, we do know what is a factored scope per megawatt, but this is something we don't publicly talk about. But yes, it's a substantial scope, especially when you have the larger gigawatt opportunities, I think the size is a very large opportunities that we see. So, so far, we have executed some contracts with the hyperscalers. I think the speed at which they are executing it and also the quality they are executing it, the demand of our products is preferred in the marketplace. And that's what we are enjoying at this point of time in India as well as India. So I'm sorry, I'm not able to give you a factor, but we do know the factors.

T. K. Sridhar

Data center orders would be up to 12% to 13%.

Sanjeev Sharma

It's not a fixed percentage. It does vary in a band based on when the order gets booked and what's the size of the orders and the book. So it can vary between 12% to 16% as well.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Atul Tiwari from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

JP Morgan

Thanks a lot. S ir, in the month of April and May, have you noticed any incremental weakness over the month of March for your short cycle orders because of the customer sentiment around war and fuel prices, etcetera?

Sanjeev Sharma

So let we do 90% of our business is in India and 10% is exports. Quite frankly, last year there was a weakness in the market fo r different reasons, but those two or three quarters we saw it. But starting last two quarters, we are fairly experiencing robust demand at the moment . So quite frankly, it is not adding to our concern directly what's happening in the West Asia at the moment. If there is a lag effect that comes up in the quarters later on, of course will share with you.

JP Morgan

Okay, sir. Good to know. And sir, my last question is on price hikes that you mentioned. So when you are t aking the price hike, are those hikes acceptable to customer a nd despite the price hike, are you able to kind of broadly maintain market share for the expected product?

Sanjeev Sharma

So we have had quite a good experience during COVID period. We're in a lot of supply chain disruptions came and we had to pass on some cost to the market and which we did. And now one thing, o ne phenomena we have understood and clients have understood pre -COVID and post-COVID is that post-COVID the customers have become more kind of more aligned with the thought process that when the market disturbances take place. They have to participate in the market with the suppliers to get the high -quality products. So one is that the demand for the high -quality products like ours is quite high and the customers appreciate it. But whenever there is an inflationary issue or where the displacement of the supply chain takes place. Whenever we go with the better price in the market wise, I think customer responds positively. So that's where our team is quite sensitive to it, not that we have to pass on everything. We also optimize with the productivity in-house. And then whatever we cannot hold on, our customers are able to participate on that. And the increases that we carry it out is basically calibrated around that.

JP Morgan

Okay, sir. Good to know. Thank you.

Moderator

The next question is from the line of Mohit Kumar from ICICI Securities. Please go ahead.

ICICI Securities

Good evening and thanks for the opportunity. My first question is, do you have escalation clauses in long-cycle orders like Metro rail, which you've signed in this quarter?

ICICI Securities

Price escalation, c ommodity inflation, if it happens, there is escalation clauses which protect us?

T. K. Sridhar

Yes. Mohit, I think it's a very good q uestion. Thanks for that. So I think there are escalation classes. There are price variation classes in all contracts which we do on a long -term basis. But we should understand these price escalation process may also come with a ceiling, up to which it is there. So it's basically about risk mitigation and how fast we execute this particular contracts. But the answer to your question, yes, we do have price escalation clauses in our contracts.

ICICI Securities

Even when you signed with the private parties, right? Is that right?

T. K. Sridhar

Yes.

ICICI Securities

Are we seeing the conversation happening for very, very large data center s of 100, 200 - megawatt quantum o r do we think it's too early and those conversations wil l start in maybe CY27 and CY28?

Ganesh Kothawade

No, it has already been started because whatever hyperscalers has placed in the previous years, those executions are ongoing and even whatever contracts now, which we are signing or discussing there is already delivery schedules, which has been given for the '26, '27 and even up to '28. So conversation is already going on. So I don't see any delay into that.

Moderator

next question is from the line of Puneet from HSBC. Please go ahead.

Puneet

Yes. Thank you so much. In the beginning of the conversation, you talked about 1% impact from competition intensity. Can you give some more colo ur on what are you seeing in the market and in what segments?

Sanjeev Sharma

So we have 16 distinct businesses. And if you pick up each and every business, they have a very different profile of competitors. So if I co llage it for the whole company it was a very large kind of a country. So I would say, yes, you're right, there is a competition intensity as the size of the market grows. You have participation coming from Japanese. You have a participation coming on Korea, some Chinese. So you naturally have non -traditional players which they're increasing in the marketplace. So it's not the majority of our market segment. It's on t he certain market segments wherein it is more [inaudible] capacity increasing on the competition side.

Puneet

That's helpful. And if you can just give some more color on how should 1 think about the $75 million capex in terms of phasing and when do you expect it to capitalize?

Sanjeev Sharma

It is about expanding our capacities, both in the development as well as certain businesses, which we had they were small, but now they have grown to size that they require larger places to produce more. And also, we have introduced some new product pipelines, which are localized and they also have not only mandate for India, but they also have mandate for exports. So those are the places in these expansionary investments have been carried out. And this is a continuous process, and we will see that in future, there's always a run rate for it.

Puneet

Understood. That’s all from my side. Thank you so much.

Moderator

We'll move to the next question, which is from the line of Rahul Gajare from Macquarie Capital. Please go ahead.

Macquarie Capital

Yes. Hi, good evening. S o we have seen a sharp decline in margin over the last 2 years. And we understand this is a combination of QCO, For ex and now the Gulf war being the latest variable. Now based on your assessment and on the back of the price hike that you have taken , when do you think we can see ABB going back to 18%, 19 o r if that is a two-step process, when do we see the company going back to 16%, 17% margin?

T. K. Sridhar

Okay. So I think, Rahul, I think we need to deal with the problems one at a time, but unfortunately the problems keep coming i t doesn't seem to be ending. But having said that, I think there are continuous efforts to mitigate this particular risk and go to market. It is a combination of both volume and pricing and also the inflation being available to take the inflation of commodities and it's a very bit of a I would say, not a simple game, but have work to do, right? So, I think all efforts are on. We also aspire to be in the so -called once we had reached 15% and we have been that and we will be there at 12% is what we ended up last year. So that is actually a good range to be in and what we see with the current challenges, what is ongoing in the market.

Moderator

Mr. Rahul, is the question answered.

Macquarie Capital

Yes. So , do you see the entire year will be subdued in terms of profitability based on the backlog that you'll have, having the limited price hike that you have been able to take?

T. K. Sridhar

So normally, we don't give any guidance about what could be the future.

Macquarie Capital

No, no, I'm not looking at guidance. This is your cost and you have taken X price hike. So have you been able to take price hike higher than the cost. That's the only thing I'm looking at?

T. K. Sridhar

They are short cycle orders. The price hike which we take today is not valid next quarter because of the commodity and the forex rates move faster than the price hikes what we have.

Macquarie Capital

Okay. So regular price is the answer.

T. K. Sridhar

Because I think there is always a lag between what the inflation in the market is behaving on the input cost vis -a-vis the pricing which you could take. We are taking into account the competition intensity and the market dynamics.

Moderator

The next question is from the line of Sameer Thakur from AMBIT Capital. Please go ahead

Sanjeev Sharma

You mean what is the percentage in electrification. I think we haven't calculated top our head, but we've given you on the company basis. But yes, it is substantial in the books of our distribution solution led by Ganesh and also on the smart product business, SmartPower product group as well. So yes, this is definitely positive for our books as well as on the margin side, yes.

Sameer Thakur

Okay. I got disconnected earlier. So, I'm not sure whether it's a repeat question, but any split on the price and volume in the growth?

T. K. Sridhar

So is the first quarter. So, we have another 4 quarters to go probably then we will be in a good position to say that what could be an aggregated impact of this.

Sameer Thakur

Understood. Just last question. In data centers, generally give the base orders or generally there are large orders only?

Sanjeev Sharma

We have both. There are two ends of it. One is you have the hyperscale asking for a very large- scale power supply into it. But then also we have the partners and integrators who supply into the mid-level and colo data center and they supply power supply into those. So those are not as large, but that's where we are able to address different market segments in the data center.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Subhadip Mitra from Nuvama. Please go ahead. Subhadip Mitra: My question was on the margin side. We've seen the impact over the last 4 quarters also because of the QCO impact? And my understanding was that the QCO impact should probably taper off over the next 1, 2 quarters. I just wanted to get an understanding that with the price hike that's already been taken and hopefully, with the QC impact going away probably over the next 2 months, can we see some recovery in margins going on?

Sanjeev Sharma

So yes, I think your answer is yes, and that's why we come every morning to our office to make sure that, that happens. But what our observation over a period of time is that whenever the markets are disturbed, whether it is because of the COVID reasons or some QCO reasons, these are not very good things because what you require is you require certain amount of certainty and linearity for businesses to operate based on how the business models have been constructed. But yes, last year, because of tariffs, uncertainties , then QCO and this year now whatever is going on to West Asia, there is some kind of a disturbance that comes to the linearity. The moment things stabilize. I think given our equation with the gross margins we get out of the market and we do it on top of the stable supply chain, I think you have seen that whenever that happens, we have a good margin availability into our business. We had to allow a little bit of a sustained period of stability, not so much variations every few quarters. Subhadip Mitra: Understood. Just one last question from my side on the data center a bit. While we are hearing of a 2 -gigawatt annual capex is what the government is targeting. Are you seeing the annual ordering now in the 2 gigawatt was because our understanding was that the current bidding pipeline is probably somewhere between 500 to 700 megawatts.

Sanjeev Sharma

We do see it in the project pipeline that buildup is there, yes. Subhadip Mitra: Perfect. And would you be also catering to the overseas market for data centers where you produce in India and supply to parent for data centers overseas?

Sanjeev Sharma

So, we have organization all over the world, and we have capacities to serve. But right now, you're right, the demand on the global system is quite high. So, there are certain specific products, which our global businesses pick up from India. And yes, we do participate in that.

Moderator

Thank you . Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for today. I now hand the conference over to Mr. T.K. Sridhar for closing comments.

T. K. Sridhar

Thank you very much. Thank you, everyone, for joining this particular call at a very short notice, but we thought that we should complete it immediately because we have some extraordinary results to tell about it. So, what I think we'll again definitely connect in the next quarter. And in case in the between, if you have any queries, anything which you need to know more, feel free to drop a line to us. We will answer to your queries. Thank you very much and to the team who could make and join the call.

Moderator

Thank you. On behalf of ABB India Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines. ----------------------- (This document has been edited for improving readability) ----------------------- Investor / Analyst contact: TK Sridhar Chief Financial Officer and Chief Investor Relations Officer sridhar.tk@in.abb.com Sohini Mookherjea Country Communication Manager sohini.mookherjea@in.abb.com

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