AU Small Finance Bank Limited analyst Q&A

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Yes, hi sir. Congrats on a good set of numbers. Just two things. One , on this contingency provision creation of Rs. 21 crs during Q4. So you have mentioned that we have built this towards some specific accounts. Can you share some more details around these accounts, like it pertains to which segment -NBFC, real estate, Commercial Banking or maybe what is the aggregate exposure at Bank’s level? That’s my first question.

Renish, Vivek here. See, these are normal, these are not some high -value specific cases. These are normal business banking, working capital cases. We made a risk assessment of what amount is covered through our security and other thing s and there was a recommendation (from risk), hence we provided it. So, there is nothing specific to it.

Okay because in PPT we have mentioned that.

This is the internal risk assessment.

Okay, I mean there will be like number of accounts, not maybe two, three accounts, something like this?

Yes, these are standard accounts basis the risk assessment , we just provided an additional provision, that’s it.

Got it. And my second question is on the rationale behind hiking interest rate in savings account and TD much ahead of the industry. So are we experiencing some challenges in raising incremental deposit or is it that we anticipate better growth going ahead and to maintain CD ratio maybe we are hiking just rates to remain competitive?

Yes Renish, hi, Sanjay this side. So in terms of liabilit ies, we are not focusing on one data point or one way of building it up. It is a combination of three-four variables, like how much you want to raise, the cost of money, how you want to play [position] your CASA, how you want to play your retail versus wholesale liabilities, the overall CD ratio. But if you see our whole last year ’s performance, our CASA ratio remained stable at around 28% - 29%. Our stable money is around 80%. Our cost of money , which we anticipating that it may a drop by only 15 bps to 20 bps, but it actually dropped it by around 32 bps. Our ALM is perfect match. So if you ask me, I think we want to play it in this manner this year too and it’s a periodic, month -on-month working. You can’t predict, you can’t have one specific rule for the entire year. There is ALCO every month and there is RBI’s monetary policy committee meeting every two months. So, we need to play with the environment. But focus will remain on two to three things. One, we want to build a very stable liability franchise. The focus of the Bank is entirely on that, be it the quantity, the quality and I’m very happy that being an SFB, where we don’t have a right to win much, but still the team is doing a phenomenally good job. They are building quality, quantity, [managing] overall cost of money. So , we are not playing a perfect game, right? We need to build it somehow, from somewhere.

Got it.

I think I would say that our 9-year journey has taught us that liabilities is a day-to-day business and we need to play every day.

Got it. Okay. So , there is no, let us say, a structural trend one should assume, based on this. It is maybe on quarterly basis…

No, no Renish. I believe we need to play every day. We need to build it every day and the deeper we are going into a banking franchise, the more stable and more predictable we are now.

Got it. Okay, that’s it Sir. Thank you and best of luck.

Yes, thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kunal Shah from Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Yes, thanks and congratulations on a good set of numbers. So firstly, with respect to ROA, we are almost at 1.8% now on exit level. So , what would be the focus, maybe we would still try to drive it up further or sustenance of that will be critical? And what would be the levers available to drive it? No doubt there would be some levers on opex, but would it get offset by other measures and we will just try to sustain it at 1.8%?

So Kunal, obviously, we know that Q4 is always seasonally strong. So the ROA at 1.8% reflects that strong seasonality. Our goal would be to maintain this ROA or achieve this ROA on a full -year basis for next year. And, the levers on that clearly, as we mentioned earlier as well, we are doing a lot of work on our operating efficiency, so we should see continued improvements year -on-year on the opex to assets ratio. So that’s one. Second is, we are coming out of some of a…

Sorry, no, so there’s no target. I’m just giving you, directionally what we are working on. It’s difficult to guide you on a line-by-line basis on the ROA tree. And second is on the credit cost front , as we are coming out of somewhat of a crisis in MFI and the credit cost has normalized. Similarly in the credit card business as well, the credit cost is normalizing. So we expect on a full -year basis next year these two things in particular to drive our credit cost lower than the full year in the current year. So I think these are the two levers to watch out for next year and we’ll see how we perform against these two.

Sure. And on margins, you’ve indicated some break -up with respect to, say 6 bps benefit because of the lower slippages and 7 bps due to lower day count. So is there an element of IT refund as well, as some recoveries which is indicated in that paragraph. So how much if you can quantify that because there would be some pressure on yields as well?

So, I think on this there was some IT refund. I would not say that it was material to the overall movement. It helped by a tiny bit but nothing specific to call out there. But in terms of, overall outlook on the margin, we’ve seen sort of strong improvement in our cost of funds continuing for the last two quarters. But with this rate increase that we’ve taken, we think cost of funds may have bottomed. And some of the seasonal factors which I spoke about , which were there in this quarter, won’t be there for the next quarter or two. So , I think to that extent, there’ll be an impact on margin.

Got it. Perfect. Yes, thanks and all the best. Yes.

Thanks, Kunal, thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Nitin Aggarwal from Motilal Oswal. Please go ahead.

Hello, Yes hi, good evening. Congratulations on strong performance. So , I have two questions. One is on technology, like we have spent a good time on technological prowess that the Bank is building including the investments in Gen AI, Agentic AI. How do you see this translating into our business volumes and what kind of cost ratios will you now target over the next two -three years as the Bank transitions to Universal Bank?

Yes, so Nitin, second question?

No, second is more on similar lines like because as a n SFB, the range on cost ratios is generally very tight and it’s very narrow across the banks. Most SFBs are like operating around late 50s to somewhere in 60s. And but as a Universal Bank, the range is very vast. There are banks below 40 s also and so where like AU, which generally has been best-in-class on many parameters as an SFB, how will you want to position yourself on cost ratios now, as you undertake this transition

No Nitin, so let me answer first. So I think why we have given you an elaborate, description in our presentation and of course by our CFO, Gaurav , is because we are investing a lot in our tech. And you know that we have around 7 -8 asset classes, we need to build our liabilities franchise, we want to build it pan-India and there is lot of challenge in terms of language, in terms of making everybody understand product, process and align everybody to one goal. When you want to become a pan -India franchise, something needs to be stitching everybody, right? And we believe at AU tech is that medium that can connect, you know, all our 60,000 people with all the diversity on the ground be it product, be it distribution, channel, processes, policy ; there is a lot of friction honestly. You might want to do lot many things from top, but you can’t do it on the ground because there is high friction at every level. So I think now tech is actually solving it, much has been solved over the years, but I think now AI is really helping us lot into it. And we are not saying that AI only will help us in back -end automation or back -end processes or back -end policies, we want to take it to the front-end as well. And I’m so happy to say to all that we have launched our first AI -led LOS in Gold loans and we actually have given two -three loans on Saturday, today also, which is a 5-10 minute journey, frictionless. We believe that AI will allow us to connect with people internally and externally seamlessly, in their own comfort, language. So in my opinion, even if there is a 10th pass employee, they can also be given job and with the help of AI tools in their hand, they can be as productive as anybody else on the ground because AI will be doing lot much, as the main I would say communicator with the customer and the boy will be only doing the necessary things. So we want to invest a lot on those things and I’m not able to imagine what kind of cost reduction AI will do because it’s in a very early stage. But, if you ask me, being an retail physical-oriented franchise where the cost would always be high, I think AI will help us in two ways. One, our productivity will go up, our channel distribution can go up. Our scale management will be lesser in terms of risk and all those things. So eventually the cost will get addressed, right? But to get to some number is diff icult Nitin on this call. Maybe down the line , one year, we will be able to figure out that, how much it will help us. But there is a clear-cut advantage to the franchise when we do AI -led acquisition or AI -led assistance , in many cases I’m seeing a clear-cut differentiation in times to come. And I don’t want to say that AU will be the first AI -native bank, but we want to be in that category and we’ll put lot of focus, money, people to achieve that. But I’m sorry, I am not able to build it around cost. But overall, the focus on cost is huge , if you ask me. You know, we have gone from 4.3% to 4.1% in this year itself. I believe next year, this current financial year, we should be lower than 4%. So this will be done organically, right? But if you want to disrupt it, I think it has to be tech-driven. And for that we are on the course and I believe, because once you talk about the universal bank and other things, the scale is very different. So I can’t compare myself to the level of 2-2.5% kind of the expense on asset, you know. Rather I would say that the first benchmark should be that can I do around 3.5? And that too in three to four, three to five years, right? But I think, it’s so difficult to reduce our cost somehow. But I think the tech is able to give us that hope that if you start building it more on tech and allow people to work on tech, this can be achievable, faster than what we are projecting on this call also. Gaurav, do you want to add something?

No, I think you’ve captured it all, right?

Right, right. Thank you Sanjay ji for such a detailed answer and very good clarity provided on it. And one more question that I have is around asset quality. It’s very heartening to see that the Bank has delivered 1.8% ROA what it guided for FY27 right in the fourth quarter itself. But from here on, how are you looking at the asset quality is shaping up, as this quarter was particularly very strong. Should we benchmark our estimates around credit cost basis this quarter number because if I look back, we used to like have much lower credit cost versus what we have seen in this year. And now we are approaching closer to that number in Q4 now. So should this be sustainable?

Nitin, two-three disclosures I want to say. I think Gaurav very well articulated that this is a seasonal quarter. Always Q4 remains very strong in every sense. I wouldn’t advise anybody that you should build our this quarter’s credit cost as an overall cost for next year. And if you ask me, we should build it around 90 bps or maybe in that range so that it allows franchise to have some kind of risk -taking capability . I don’t want to drive too tight in terms of credit cost estimation and in the market which we operate, it is not good for the organization, right? Because we need to take risk in our market, in our business, I would say, build it around 0.90%. If we save something, it’s all of us to share. And I don’t think that 1.8 % this quarter ROA should be seen as our the permanent ROA because there are external challenges which we all know about. But I think at AU, Nitin, we are building it as foundation where we can build a long - term very solid franchise, be it people, be it distribution, channel, geographies, products, we are investing in every side of the business. And you have seen how we are building our tech stack also. But I can say that AU will be very sustainable in their results, because we are working on a lot of inputs. And I think this year is our 10th year of our working and I already mentioned maybe a couple of years back that it takes around 10 years to build a very strong foundation and lot of learnings, from last maybe couple of years. So we are taking every learning to really build AU in a sustainable franchise. And I’m very happy that the way the team is, taking the ownership, team is learning and building it up so beautifully. So I believe that, people should not judge us from our this quarter’s number. I think if you see the whole year number and last two years’ number, I think we remain very strong in our performance.

Right, right. Got it. Got it Sanjayji. Thank you so much and wish you all the best.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jayant Kharote from Axis Capital. Please go ahead.

Thank you for the opportunity. First of all, congratulations on a great set of numbers. First was on credit cost, we also have RBI ECL norms coming through as we speak. So any impact on steady -state credit cost for us given the Fincare book experience in recent years and since we are growing that book again? So in regard to that, the 90 bps guidance, how should that look with the new ECL guidelines?

ECL guidelines have just come in, right? And we haven’t…

It’s exactly the same. It’s exactly the same as draft.

And I’m so sorry to not give any guidance around it. You have to give us some time. And I’ve been told that we as an SFB is not covered under that ECL program. Is it right?

Yes, I know, I was talking after you transition to a universal…

Let us become that. But I don’t think, of course Vivek is on the call, Vivek can you comment on that.

No, so Jayant, it’s too early to comment on it. Let us understand that, right? You need to understand just one underlying factor that 90% is our retail secured asset plus I would say secured commercial banking book. So it has a very different connotation to it. Any guideline or any credit cost calculation would eventually work on the loss given default and, probability of default, right? So for us, loss given default in retail asset has always been low. I just want to give that guidance. And in MFI, 100% of my incremental book is covered under CGFMU and 90% , as we speak, close to 92% [of the overall] book is covered, you know. So to that extent, any guideline, even the draft guideline had this provision that any government coverage would continue to be get benefited out of it, right?

Yes, thank you. Second question was regards to the geographical liability expansion so to say. Next two years as you transition to Universal Bank, I do understand on the asset side you have some focus areas in the south. If you can help us understand what would be your strategy on liabilit ies geographically? I do see some higher contributions from markets like UP, Karnataka. So why would their asset side not match up equally, I mean just trying to understand the strategy overall.

No, so I think if you ask me, the most important strategy which we work on a daily basis or in execution or in any meeting or any review is around liabilit ies franchise. And I think you would have seen that at this level also without having any right to win in those markets, we are able to grow our liability franchise this year too by 23% . And if you ask me, we have all the facets there. The retail bank which is around 60% of overall deposit franchise, then we have a government business and the corporate bank, then we have commercial-led deposits, then we have a FIG, then we have CDs - that is the treasury-led deposits. If you ask me internally, we know that all are building up very nicely. And the focus remains to build all four -five facets for the liability franchise so that, we don’t miss anything, right? In the retail franchise also, there is sub -sector like NR, TASC, special markets [Salary markets] . And we are building all product line s, all channels and nowadays we are also focusing to cross -sell more as the franchise is becoming more mature and mature. As of now, our liability franchise is not talking to the asset franchise largely. So we want that to happen from this year onwards so that when we acquire a liability customer, it’s not only a single transaction, it is more relationship, right? And we want to become a pan -India franchise. We want to open around 80 - 100 branches every year. We want to build a brand around it. Once we become universal, then the whole value of franchise will go up , people will understand us more and more. Our visibility will go up more and more. So I think this year or maybe the next year, we’ll have a double-down approach on where we want to build it, more faster, more granular, more impactful. And I can assure everybody here that we became a bank to build a liabilities franchise, right? We know that our strength lies in our assets, but our core expertise or core leadership or core acceptance of us as an individual [Bank] is around our leadership, our liabilities franchise. So you will see us more and more visible in times to come , pan-India and I’m sure that by being so successful on SFB platform, if we will be on a better platform, our performance will be far-far better.

And safely to assume sir, since we are building this franchise, we shouldn’t be building in rate cut on the SA TD side at least in near term?

Rate cut on the pricing of deposits. Since we are in the build -out phase, we should assume that we are comfortable here or are there any more opportunities on the SA/TD cuts that you see in the next two-three quarters?

I can’t tell you, any guidance around it as I already commented in my earlier answer that liabilities franchise, at our level, at our franchise is a daily business. We have to take the cognizance of market, of reality on a day -to-day basis. We have ALCO every month and there we take decision about how much we can go up, how much we can go down, which sector we want to build, how much we want to build it. So it’s very operational in my opinion. But if you see the overall result this year too, our cost of money has gone down by 32 bps. Our CASA is around 28-29%. Our retail and stable money is around 70% (correct number is 80%) . Our LCR is around 118% (correct number is 119%) . So we remain so well in all matrices, right? And idea is to not to have one side or two side, to remain very holistic in our liability build -up.

Definitely sir. Congrats once again on a great set of numbers and all the best.

Thank you. Thanks Jayant.

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Pritesh Bumb from DAM Capital Advisors. Please go ahead.

Hi, Good evening team. Congrats on a great set of numbers. Few questions. One is on the asset quality side. So , we have now come out from the asset quality cycle. How are we looking to strengthen the residual asset quality metrics like PCR, contingency provisions and ECL as we go along?

Pritesh, I think, if you look at our Q4 numbers, it will tell you the exact story. We’ve - - we’ve always been very-very strong on retail secured assets, commercial assets have been range-bound, large part of that was coming from our unsecured piece which was credit card and MFI. Now both businesses are settling down, right? And there was a seasonality impact, but overall, things look very different, right, from the days when these two portfolio s had a bit of stress . And PCR is not a defined number. It goes by the provisioning policy and there is no change in the provisioning policy, right? And the ECL guideline as it would come and we need to follow from 1st April 2027, obviously some of it will have an impact on Stage 1, Stage 2, but then your accelerated provisioning at Stage 3 might get released. So that working is yet to be done, I’m saying that the precise , what is the final guideline, the underlying, that’s very difficult to comment at this point in time. We need to go through it, we need to put it in our model and we need to perfect our model first, right? And then only we will be able to comment on it.

But to add on to Vivek, we have the provision policy, but every quarter, the Risk Committee meets and assess es if anymore provisioning requirement that might be there. So this time also if you really see our PCR, if you take the credit guarantee book out of it, then we are around 70%, right? So I believe you should see us there only and I can assure everybody on the call that our focus always remain s to secure any kind of probable loss through this PCR. So that is there.

The second question was Sanjay, just wanted to understand the philosophy for the approach on home loans from here. It’s been mostly flat for some time now. Will we focus on asset duration than yields in the next few years? Anything on that?

So home loan, honestly we are doing more affordable housing, right? And there I would say again, I think in last call also or a call before, I highlighted that that market has become too competitive and every new NBFC or HFC is coming and building their book there only and I don’t think that now there is a risk -reward left there, right? So we are not going irrationally, and we don’t want to just do it to build our growth there, because we have lot on table to really grow. So let’s not look a t one data point, because we have actually said that we want to grow around 2x or maybe 2.25x or 2.5x to the nominal GDP, and which we really delivered, right? So, it will always be like this, some book will be growing, some book won’t but overall, we know that we have diversified ourselves in asset classes. And we want to play a risk-reward game every year. And wherever we feel that it’s better to grow that book, we want to double down there. And if we feel that this is not the right time to push this book, we don’t want to do that, right? So I think you have to see that overall our growth is protected, which we are promising, right? But we’ll play around wherev er the risk-reward is there.

Sure, that was clear. And the last question…

Sure, thanks.

Your next question comes from the line of Param Subramanian from Investec. Please go ahead.

Yes hi, good evening. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on a great quarter. Firstly, I just wanted to understand again how we should think about margins going into next year. So , I heard you call out that there is a day count benefit this quarter and benefit of lower reversals , but the benefit of lower reversals should stay, right, because slippages are say moderating year -on-year. So basically how to think about that going ahead?

So I think on this specific thing, right, I’ll repeat what I said earlier. On cost of funds, I think we’ve said that this quarter cost of funds may have bottomed out with the rate increases we have taken, right? Then on your point around the seasonality in Q4, that is 6 bps for lower slippages, so that had two elements. One is your lower gross slippages so that’s a quarter -on-quarter improvement from Q3 to Q4. And second is your higher NPA reversals, right within that number. Now to the extent that Q4 is strong seasonally and Q1 is weaker, you won’t see this benefit in the next quarter.

Okay, okay. So basically these one-offs will not be there and cost of funds have more or less bottomed out and should increase from here?

Yes, Yes. And your asset yield will reflect whatever the asset mix is, right? That is a bit difficult to call out. It depends on what is the mix of growth within the asset verticals, right? Where your unsecured portfolio, even with the recovery, will probably grow at a pace slower than the rest of the book . So on a net -net basis, you may have some asset mix related pressure on yield.

Got it, got it. Thanks Gaurav. Secondly on fees, right? So generally in fourth quarter there is a sharper seasonal uptick, I think it’s in the loan assets and in the general banking fees that you call out in your slide. So is there something that is not there this time that was generally there?

No, I think there’s nothing specific to call out there on that line.

Yes, Yes.

Okay, okay. And lastly if you could just call out , your provision coverage is up. I think in the last call you had talked something about how you provide for CGFMU which is that you assume the recoveries will come through on the covered portfolio. But this quarter we are seeing PCR go ing up again , has anything changed there or we are completely status quo and this PCR is...?

So Param, as Vivek mentioned, right, PCR is a function of accounting policy, right? So that and where is your NPA coming from, which asset class and what is the provisioning policy for that particular asset class determines what your PCR is. So it’s an outcome rather than an input, if you will.

Perfect, perfect. Thank you so much. Congrats on the great quarter again. Thank you.

Thanks Param.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Akshay Jain from Autonomous. Please go ahead.

Thank you sir, thank you for the opportunity. So I have one question on loan mix in Southern geography. How should we look at incremental growth coming from southern geographies and what proportion of the total AUM should come from southern geography in say next three to five years? And which segments…

Your voice is little muffled. I think your voice is not very clear. If you could just speak clearly…

Is it better now?

Bit better. Yes.

So my question was how should we look at AUM growth from the southern geography, what proportion of your incremental growth should come from south in say three to five years. And which segments will be driving this growth. And second related question is that in two years since the merger, the performance of the non - MFI segments often gets clouded due to the MFI weakness. So how has the early - stage delinquency trends been in the non-MFI segment in the southern geographies now that we have two years of growth data there?

So I would say that it’s too operational now. We have become one Bank and it’s not about Southern market or North ern market. Certain branches perform, certain branches don’t perform. That is why our overall growth estimation is linked to our nominal GDP growth rate, which is 2x or 2.25 or somewhere in that range. We want to be on that guidance. In that, some product will work, some won’t, some geographies will work, some geographies won’t, that’s the reality of the situation. But I think the way we have built ourselves overall as a franchise, we have built 10-12 products in asset classes, around 2,500 touch points (correct number: 2, 790 touchpoints), we want to grow our distribution, we want to grow our team, we want to grow more and more into the market. And there would also be a change in our customer segment once we cross - sell more to our existing customer base. So I think it’s not relevant because you want to judge our overall growth rather than growth in some market. So I think I would say that from here onwards, we really want to focus on overall growth matrix, overall NIM, other income , credit cost so that we remain solid in terms of overall performance because if we start picking one market, one product, then I think on an overall basis, I would say the fragrance of the franchise get s lost. But as I already communicated that I’m so happy in the way we are building ourselves as the next big thing in the banking franchise, where we want to become a pan -India franchise with lots of product offerings in liabilities and assets, with physical distribution and tech - led capabilities, with one data matrices which overall looks very good. So I think that’s our approach and I think there is no perfect world honestly. And we have learned that in the last 9 years that there won’t be any perfect day. You have to go every day and build yourself in this whole imperfection. But the way we have understood the market is that in the end, it all becomes good. So I would rather say that this year again remains as one of the learning years for us and let’s see how the next year goes into it. But I think after 10 years I would say that we’ll become more predictable in every sense.

Understood sir. And just on the ROA target of 1.8% from what I can get the call is that your margins might stay flat to maybe slightly down because of mix shift, credit cost you are asking us to build around 90 basis points versus 60 basis points in the current quarter. So should we assume that large portion of the 1.8% ROA should come from cost?

Akshay, I think Gaurav mentioned that we want to work on our cost. We really want to work on our credit cost. One is your own model where we want to project us 0.90%, but our performance should be better than that, but it’s an outcome. So again , difficult to comment in this kind of time; where last year it was s uch a difficult environment, b ut in the end we have performed well. So I believe that once the external environment becomes, I would say more predicable or the vulnerability goes out, I think internally India looks very bright, internally India looks very sharp and we believe that we are building this bank for India and we will perform.

Understood, sir. Thank you. Thank you for the answers.

Yes, thank you. Thanks Akshay.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ashlesh Sonje from Kotak Securities. Please go ahead.

Hi team, Good evening. First question is on deposits. So there is good progress on CASA deposits, especially on CA in FY26. The question is on cost of funds. I understand that there will be intermittent pushes and pulls from the rate cycle and competition. But through the cycle, do you have an internal target of where this cost of funds should be, let’s say relative to the banks with the lowest cost of funds after you get the universal banking license? That is one. Along with that, if you can also share the amount of retail deposits on the balance sheet as on March 26?

So I think the long-term target, I would say the way we are pushing internally that the cost of money should be around the repo rate prevalent at that time. So , if you ask me, at this time the repo rate is 5.25% and my cost is around 6.75%. And if you see any mid-sized bank, they are around 6.25 % and the old three-four banks are around 5.25%, right. So ideally, once we become very mature in our universal banking avatar, then my cost of funds should be around the repo rate prevailing at that time. That’s a long-term dream and target, but difficult to comment on the timing. because you’re asking me, so that why I’m giving you that the view of us internally. Second question you asked around is retail – retail TD? Sorry, what's your second question?

Amount of retail term deposit as on March?

So Ashlesh, I think we’ve covered that in our commentary in terms of how we are looking at deposits within branch banking, maybe I’ll just add a bit more color around this. So we have created four focused segments for our deposits business. One of them is branch banking, which is primarily targeting retail deposits. Branch banking’s contribution to the overall deposit is abo ut 60%, So that’s one. And then the other segments are Wholesale Liabilities, Government Banking and Financial Institutions. Second data point we’ve disclosed is the stability of our deposit base , where if you look at CASA, retail TD and the non-callable wholesale deposits, that ratio we’ve disclosed is 79%, the ratio is sort of stable versus last year. So those are the two data points we’ve disclosed in our presentation.

And secondly on the growth outlook, given the uncertainty on the macro, when do you expect to take any action on let’s say curtailing risk or pulling back credit? Or do you intend to do that?

Yes, it will happen automatically , we want to remain very risk -averse and wherever we find the indicators, which as of now are not there, and we already have said in our opening remarks that whe never we find that this market, or product, or a customer base might get affected because of this challenge [or the macro challenges], we don’t onboard them. So it will happen automatically because we have built our credit underwriting model around this.

Understood sir. Thank you.

Yes.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will take that as the last question for today. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Prince Tiwari for closing comments.

Thank you Sagar and thank you everyone for joining the call and your questions and for all your support. In case you have any further questions, kindly do reach out to the IR team. Good evening and good night.

Thank you. On behalf of AU Small Finance Bank, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.