Belrise Industries Limited

Quarter ended Jun 2026

2026-08-17 Transcript PDF
Moderator

Thank you so much, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin with the question-and-answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Vipul Agrawal with HSBC Securities. Please go ahead.

HSBC Securities

Hi. So actually I have a few questions. First some clarification on the commentary. First is like you talked about a chassis system for two-wheeler OEM with annual revenue of around INR650 million. Just wanted to understand, you had also announced two more chassis orders earlier from South India. Is this order on top of those earlier order wins or it's a new order win in two - wheeler segment?

Swastid Badve

Yes. So thank you for the question. This order win is over and above what we had announced in the last quarter. Last quarter we had announced a win in exhaust systems and fuel tanks. This is the chassis system win which is on top of that. So the growth with this fast-growing two-wheeler and three-wheeler OEM is going quite well. The OEM itself is continuing to gain momentum in the market and we expect this relationship to grow at an extremely fast pace for us going forward.

Swastid Badve

No, sir. I think last quarter we had announced, I don't have the exact number in front of me, but as per my understanding it was around INR900 million order win in last quarter, and there's INR650 million on top of that. So it's a INR1,550 million cumulative order book when I say annual revenue run rate, and this is only with one OEM in the two -wheeler and three-wheeler space.

HSBC Securities

Thank you, thanks for the clarification. My second question is on the renewable energy sector. So is it a recurring revenue of around INR1,500 million, and what's the timeline of revenue? Can you explain a bit on that?

Swastid Badve

Yes. I didn't get the first part of the question.

HSBC Securities

Sorry, on the renewable energy sector sheet metal assemblies, so is it a recurring revenue, it will be a one-time revenue for you over a certain timeline?

Swastid Badve

Yes. It's a recurring revenue. So this is the first order win that we have won from this North American solar tracker manufacturer, and we're expanding our current facility to enable manufacturing for this order. As I mentioned earlier, it will be recurring in nature, and we expect this to be a scalable order book. We've started with two and a half gigawatts, which is, as per the OEM, an initial entry, and we can expect this order book to expand going forward, given that this particular OEM that we are working with is a market leader in the segment. And we'll be working with them both on export as well as domestic opportunities. As I mentioned earlier, this is starting in Q4 of this fiscal year, and then will progress naturally from there.

Moderator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Nitij Mangal with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Jefferies

Hi, good morning, and thanks for taking my question. Firstly, can you talk a bit more about how do you see the margin trajectory from here? So let's say, full year, you'd still expect flattish margins, but can you talk about how much of the commodity cost pressures have already come through in, or have been passed on to customers? And there's a big jump in staff costs over the last couple of quarters, so how does that trend here? And is there still some of these cost pressures that are left to come into the next quarter?

Swastid Badve

Thank you, Nitij, for that question. So I think, based on my father's commentary and what we've all been mentioning, we believe that the worst is behind us in terms of cost pressures. We do believe that the commodity costs pressure that was there in quarter one, we will get the pass - through of that in the coming quarters, which means that the commodity cost cycle f or us has largely played out. Secondly, in terms of staff costs, there was of course an annual increment cycle that happened in this quarter, for the upcoming fiscal year. Apart from that, we've also been hiring a lot because as we speak, there's four new facilities coming up, including brownfield facilities for us.

So when we are ramping up these facilities, we have to hire in advance, so a lot of times these fixed costs show up on our P&L much before the revenues show up. So again, I think those have largely peaked out. And in terms of energy and transportation cost s, again, there's been a sense of normalcy that's come in into those as well. So across all three which is commodity, staff, and energy and transportation, we believe that we are largely through the cost pressure or cost pain that we felt in the first quarter, and we can expect our margins to go up in the coming quarters so that we are able to maintain our EBITDA margin as compared to FY26.

Jefferies

Okay, thanks Swastid. And secondly, you have been ramping up with one of the two -wheeler players where you historically had a smaller presence. And you have gotten a couple of orders already. How do you see the potential to ramp up this business further and let's say versus the content that you supply to your top OEM, versus this faster growing two-wheeler company, what is the potential for ramp up in over what timeframe?

Swastid Badve

So in terms of this fast growing two -wheeler and three -wheeler OEM, I think what's most exciting for us when it comes to OEM is the fact that our content per vehicle with this OEM has risen up very fast. So we are doing fuel tanks for them, we are doing exhaust systems, we are doing chassis systems, we are doing suspension systems, as well as braking systems. So in general, it's the basket of products that we have been able to penetrate with this particular OEM, which apart from say our largest OEM, we do not enjoy this type of content for vehicle across any other OEM. And this is especially exciting because this particular OEM is among the fastest growing OEMs today in the country. Sumedh, do you want to add something to that?

Sumedh Badve

Yes, if I can add something. Fundamentally, as you would be aware, gaining entry into an OEM for a new product is a difficult part. Once you are already in, secured the supplies for a product for any of the models, it's far easier to replicate horizontally and expand that portfolio across different models, because there is a certain commonization, a certain horizontalization that OEMs also follow. So we believe this is a very exciting opportunity for us, where we have already gained an entry, and we can replicate this with other models. And that not only with the same level of content per vehicle across multiple models (26:40). So there is a, there's a significant opportunity for growth in that sense.

Swastid Badve

And just on the numbers bit, we have of course mentioned that we have already won around INR1,550 million of orders in the fuel tank, exhaust system, and chassis system. The suspensions and braking wins are over and above these wins. So one can say that we are already at a INR2,000 million or a n INR2 billion run rate with this particular OEM, and there's further conversations ongoing, which will continue to build on top of this. So, we are quite excited with the growth and content per vehicle that we have as of now with them, and we continue, and we hope to continue building that on, as we go forward.

Divyansh Jaju

Hello, sir. Thank you for giving me the opportunity. First question was around like, our new major new to expansion one is Bangalore brownfield, and Haridwar facility. So, can you give their current utilization and when the production will be ramped up? And how meaningful contribution will be there from the revenue?

Sumedh Badve

We are unable to comment on specific facilities. I think we have given our guidance on overall numbers and I think that's what we stick with.

Divyansh Jaju

Okay, sir. Next question was around, like after making the multiple acquisition in aerospace segment and we are doing more by using the QIP fund. So what is management looking at the business like in the aerospace segment, how much meaningful revenue contr ibution over next two years?

Swastid Badve

Sumedh, already mentioned in the last earnings call that we want aerospace and defense to get to 10% of our manufacturing revenue in a short to medium term. As we speak, and based on my brother's thoughts, we are looking at acquisitions across Europe, North America, as well as India. A lot of these acquisitions that we are looking at are high quality players, which means they have been around for four to five decades, have inherently higher ROCEs and EBITDA margins than our current business, and of course, have a moat in terms of the capability that we have built up. So if I just take an example of what we got through Chester Hall, Chester Hall is a global leader in titanium machine components for engines. Now, as you would know, engine components are amongst the toughest to manufacture in the aviation market, with tolerances as low as one to two microns. So acquiring that type of capability is very important for us, and the discussions that are currently ongoing with major aerospace OEMs is to move a part of these high volume aero engine components into India. You would ask why India? We feel India is the best cost manufacturing place, in terms of low arbitrage in terms of labor costs, in terms of a very well-settled engineering ecosystem, as well as very good geopolitical relationships with the West. So, we see good progress over there, and you will hear more about these acquisitions as we go forward. Maybe Sumedh wants to add more to that.

Sumedh Badve

Yes. I think I will just take a step back. See, fundamentally, we are focused on the sector. There’s a large opportunity here that exists. But if I were to take a step back and look at the overall industry, over the past many months, leading OEMs and Tier 1s, including engine makers, their leadership has spent time in India, not only meeting with our country's leadership, but also visiting various locations. And there are already manufacturing facilities that have started in the likes of Gujarat with an Indian partner as well. What this signals fundamentally is they are looking at India very seriously in terms of their ecosystem, and there is obviously a, not a China plus one, I would say, actually a China replacement strategy, where there is far more trust in the India ecosyste m with respect to IP, know-how, capability, governance, which doesn't exist in China from that standpoint. So they are looking at India very seriously, and we are looking to capitalize on that. And it's a trend that is panning out, which we believe will play a significant role in.

Divyansh Jaju

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Moderator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Shubham with Investec. Please go ahead.

Shubham

Hey, hi. Thanks for the opportunity. I just wanted one clarification. So your revenues from two- wheeler and three-wheeler segment have grown by about 18-odd percent on a YoY basis. Now if I look at the industry production growth for two -wheelers and three -wheelers, it has been somewhere about upwards of about 20 %, 25%. Given that we have been gaining market share and there would have been some benefit of RM pass -through as well, can you please help us understand the reason for slightly lower growth versus industry? Yes. Thank you.

Swastid Badve

So inherently, the reason for that is that, of course, a couple of OEMs who we do not work closely with right now have been gaining higher market share and have been growing faster as compared to a couple of OEMs that we work with today. So there is a bit of mix that potentially brought our growth rate down. But the good thing is that the two OEMs who have been growing faster, we have now penetrated them in a very meaningful way, which means that not only will our existing OEM continue to grow, but these new OEMs will add numbers on top of this. You will see a lot of these figures coming to our profit and loss in the quarter 3 and quarter 4 of this fiscal year. So I would say at the moment, it is due to a lack of the right customer mix, but we have all the elements in place to make sure that going forward, we will have all of the OEMs in the fray to make sure that we continue growing faster than the industry.

Sumedh Badve

Fundamentally, it is a lag in terms of new order wins and then going into production (33:20). I mean, that is the result that you are perhaps seeing.

Shubham

Okay, and will it be possible for you to quantify the benefit that we got from RM pass through in our revenue portion?

Swastid Badve

We are unable to do that right now. We are happy to answer this question offline, but not at the moment.

Moderator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Nitin Agarwal with JM Financial. Please go ahead.

JM Financial

Yes, thanks. Thanks for the opportunity and, congratulations on a good set of numbers in this, uh, macro challenging environment. First question relates to your trading business, so we have seen a 19% decline on a Y-o-Y basis this business. Could you please explain, help us understand what has happened out there? And secondly, on the margins, in Q1, would it be possible for you to quantify the raw material impact and the employee cost impact? And I am assuming lower contribution from trading business would also have helped our margins. So would it be possible for you to quantify these elements? Thank you.

Swastid Badve

So, thank you Nitin for the question. I think on the trading business, of course due to the ongoing crisis in the Middle East, there was a lot of pressure in terms of business scenario in the Middle East over this quarter. And since most of our trading business comes from outside India, and

largely from the African, Asian and Middle Eastern regions, it was fairly muted due to everything that was ongoing in terms of logistics as well as demand over there from April to June. We do not expect this to be a concern going forward and we expect this business to grow, albeit not as fast as the manufacturing business. Sorry, what was your second question?

JM Financial

It was related to the margin. So is it possible for you to quantify the impact of raw material, employee costs, and the partly offset impact that we would have gotten from the lower contribution from this trading business. Would it be possible?

Swastid Badve

We are happy to quantify this offline, Nitin. I think at the moment, all we can say is that the raw material pain that we have had in the first quarter is behind us. A lot of this heightened raw material cost will pass back to us in the next couple of quar ters as different OEMs do the pass through exercise. So we don't expect there to be a material impact due to this.

JM Financial

Yes. Okay, all right. Thank you. That's it from my side.

Moderator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Vipul Agrawal from HSBC. Please go ahead.

HSBC Securities

Yes hi, just hi. Thank you for taking my questions. Just a couple of follow-up questions. First is you talked about H-One as well, like its high tensile, like almost three times of others having in India. So what are parts benefit from this? And what is the TAM here? And how is it expanding, like we understand India is going for light-weighting, which should help a lot over there. So how is the TAM and if you can help understand what is the revenue trajectory you're looking at from this technology?

Swastid Badve

So I can just answer the first part of this question and then our CMO, Sunil Kulkarni can add on top of that.

Swastid Badve

So I think literally all of the sheet metal parts that we manufacture today in a four -wheeler can be manufactured with high tensile steel. So it's a concept of which parts the OEMs want to focus on to enable light weighting and better crash safety. In fact , the order win that we announced this quarter of around 59 assemblies that we'll be manufacturing for a large Indian EV OEM, all of these assemblies will be made within our H-One plant, or a large majority of these will be made within our H-One plant. And the fact that we have a high tensile capability has also allowed for the localization of these components, which were initially being done outside India. So the capability and the guidance that we were able to give to the OEM in terms of localizing these parts was only possible due to what we got from H-One. I think the second part of what we want from this OEM is also the tooling and the automation that we are designing for them end to end. Again, when it comes to high tensile steel, what is difficult is the component manufacturing, but what is more difficult is manufacturing the tools and automation required to enable the high tensile manufacturing.

So there is a concept called spring back that is extremely important in the high tensile technology. To reduce the spring back requires a very unique technology which H-One produces globally and we have now inherited this through our partnership with them. So I think this is something that we are seeing increased focus on from the EV makers as well as from the Japanese OEMs, and we expect this market to continue growing for u s. Maybe Sunil sir wants to add more to this.

Sunil Kulkarni

Yes, so adding to what Swasti d ji said, that during the process of the technical agreements that we were doing, so you know we have been engaging with our OEMs also to understand what their requirements are, and which specific parts that go into a passenger vehicle as far as safety norms are concerned would be considered. So right now, it is under discussions. We are evaluating on both sides, but yes, the announcement of the technical agreement is a welcome scenario in the industry in India today. That much I can tell.

HSBC Securities

That was really helpful. Thank you so much. My second question is on the Plasan Sasa, you talked about that and with Hyva you can always work about on heavy fabrication capabilities. So can you quantify the potential revenue right there, like if you have any order book or something, or maybe any parts which you are already supplying to any OEM or directly to defense like Indian Army or any other entity? Can you just quantify a bit on that? It looked pretty interesting that obviously we are getting a lot of localization in India on the defense side of the business. So if you can give some idea around it.

Swastid Badve

So, well, we are already supplying parts to Plasan. We are exporting them to the Israel markets. Of course , Israel as a market has been undergoing multiple geopolitical challenges that are ongoing as we speak, so the progress over there is happening, but it's happening at a gradual pace. I think the acquisition of Hyva is of course a welcome step and it is something that we intend to of course utilize further. I think the main thing would be a lot of these geopolitical situations to calm down globally, which will allow us to really work with them on a more strategic basi s on these new technologies.

Sumedh Badve

Couple more points there. So fundamentally, Plasan Sasa is a global leader in anti-ballistic high- safety armor and production of that sort. With that, with obviously what is happening in the world from a defense perspective and self -armoring, there are a l ot of orders that are being placed. Given the scenario in the Middle East, production has seen, as they have identified, that there needs to be the right partner where despite these geopolitical challenges, you can continue to produce and manufacture and meet the supplies. So in that sense, actually, India benefits significantly, and that's what we are seeing. So we're seeing greater engagement from them. We are seeing an opportunity to localize further and support them on a longer-term basis. So that's an additional factor that we see panning out over time.

HSBC Securities

Just one last bookkeeping question, like how should we look at your other revenue? Because it also includes your defense and aerospace revenue. So it has been a bit volatile in terms of absolute numbers. How should we look at that number?

Swastid Badve

So given that it is a small base, Vipul, I think it will be the fastest growing segment across all of our two-wheeler, four-wheeler and other segments, it will be the fastest growing. I think we will gain a lot of benefit in the sector as we double down and move fast on the renewable opportunity, on the aerospace opportunity, and the defense opportunity. All three segments or sub -segments have had meaningful traction over the past couple of quarters. You will see a lot of this revenue flowing through in these segments going forward as well, and we maintain our guidance of reaching at least 10% of our consolidated revenues being aerospace and defense in the medium term.

HSBC Securities

Thank you. Just one suggestion, if you can help us, if you can carve out defense and aerospace from this revenue, if possible, if it is material, it will be really helpful for us to understand the growth over there. That's all from my side. Thank you.

Swastid Badve

Yes, we can look at that. Thank you.

Moderator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ashwin Patil with LKP Securities. Please go ahead.

LKP Securities

Yes, hi. Thank you for taking my question. And congratulations on a good set of numbers. Just I wanted to understand you know the growth profile within the trading business, because that business has posted about 19% decline this quarter on a Y oY basis, so going forward if you could share the outlook on that. And how you know this business is expected to grow in next couple of years. And my second question is you know just if you could share the numbers of H- One and Mag filters for this quarter. Thank you.

Swastid Badve

So on the trading business, I think the worst is behind us in terms of the Middle Eastern crisis that was ongoing. I think that has largely calmed down, which means that trading volumes globally have begun to get back to some sense of normalcy. We are unable to give specific guidance for this business. What we are guiding for is the business as a whole, which is for Belrise as a whole, which is mid -teens revenue growth with stable EBITDA margins. And on H-One and Mag filters, H-One has been growing quite fast for us. While Mag filters also has been able to regain some of the market share from a large Japanese four-wheeler OEM. We're unable to comment on specific numbers for either of them because for us, it's one whole family. We continue to grow the complete business as a whole and not look at business segment wise.

Sumedh Badve

Thank you all for taking out the time for this call today. We remain committed to creating sustainable long -term value for all our stakeholders through disciplined execution, prudent capital allocation, and continued investment in capabilities. Hope we have been able to answer most of your queries on this call. For any further queries, please reach out to us or to SGA, our investor relations advisors. Thank you so much for joining us today for this morning. Thank you so much.

Moderator

Thank you so much, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of Belrise Industries Limited, that concludes today's conference. Thank you for joining us and you may now disconnect your lines.