The first question is from the line of Aayush Sharma from Alder Capital.
FY2025 Q4
Congrats on a decent set of results. I just had a couple of questions. Firstly, on physical expansion, on branches, what is the exact outlook? Secondly, how is the growth of the wealth business evolving? Finally, how will the use of technology contribute to your growth? These are my questions.
Thank you, Aayush, for the wishes. When we started the year, we were at 115 number of branch offices. On the closing, we are at 192 branch offices. We have significantly expanded. For the upcoming financial year, we are planning to expand our branch network further by another 100 branches. On a longer term basis, if we have to take a five -year plan, we are planning to have our own branch office at almost all districts, which are roughly around 800 districts across India. There is a major reason, we are largely focusing on the branch network, because even today in the financial services space, across semi -urban geographies or Tier 3 and below geographies, whenever we talk about any financia l services, the customer mindset is that they require a physical space. This we have seen across various other industries also, be it ad tech, be it the Lenskart, who started online and eventually opened a store on the ground to service to this particular customer segment. The similar thing is there for the financial services space also. We are largely bullish on the new entrants in the financi al services space, which are going to come from Tier 3 and below geographies only and we will be readily available on the ground with our physical branch network for these set of customers. What was the, another question?
Yes, it was on your wealth business and how is the business side of it? How is it working?
Okay. On the Wealth business, we are largely focusing on the retail customers as well as the HNI and institutional clients. We had built a distribution of retail, mutual fund and wealth products with our own team. With the acquisition of Arete Capital, we have onboarded the HNI and institutional clients also, because the Arete’s forte was on the institutional space. So we are planning to grow on both the business models. As far as the technology is concerned, technology works as an enabler. I would like to proudly say that our technology is no less than any other competitor in the industry. In some spaces we are even better than the competition. However, at the same time, business model largely remains on the physical presence, which is supported by the technology for the faster execution and seamless client servicing. So, that's our view on the tech part.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Raman KV from Sequent Investments. Please go ahead with your question.
So, first, with respect to the advisory services, we have approximately Rs. 500 Cr order book. Can you give how much of that, is from Jal Jeevan Mission and other order book of roads and highways and what is the execution timeline like?
Okay. When it comes to the advisory order book, the tentative average timeline for execution of one project ranges from 24 to 36 months’ time. It depends what kind of services we are providing. If it is a DPR, it is completed average within 9 to 10 months’ time. If it is a combination of DPR and PMC both, the average goes to 24 to 36 months’ time. We are largely focused on the mission proje cts of the government. If you will see our history, when we started our advisory business, roughly around 2014 -2015, the larger focus of the government was on the road and highway projects and so was the focus of our company as well. We designed and supervised more than 3000 kilometers road in the initial 2 -3 years. In the second tenure of the NDA government after 2019, the focus shifted to the Jal Jeevan Mission and that was a mission project of the central government and so was our company's focus o n to the water pipeline and designing and supervision kind of projects. We are working in sync with the government's vision so that we are able to execute projects fast, smooth, and as per the timeline. As far as today's order book is concerned, I would say roughly around 60% to 65% comes from water related projects and remaining 35% to 40% comes from other projects.
Okay, got it. So, with respect to NBFC, the book has grown by 53% like the net worth. I just want to understand what was the reason for this huge QoQ growth in the book s of the NBFC business?
Okay. In Q3 FY25, we had acquired a retail lending business of Paisabuddy Finance Private Limited, a Jaipur based NBFC and a distribution business of Sureworth Financial Services Private Limited, another distribution company based out of Jaipur under a slump sale transaction. So, this transition has led to a significant jump into the AUM of the NBFC.
Okay. Can I get the interest yield with respect to the NBFC business?
Okay, and sir what is the guidance with respect to the NBFC business as well as the distribution of mutual funds business for the FY26?
Our focus in the NBFC is largely on to the MSME customers in the semi -urban and rural geographies. The largest product which we do i n the NBFC space is LAP, loan against properties, where the ticket size ranges from Rs. 6 lakh to Rs.8 lakh per customer. However, as we grow in size, our focus will go to prime borrowers also where the ticket size will come to somewhere around Rs. 12 lakh to Rs. 15 lakh and a slight decline in the average interest rate will also be there. However, at the same time the distribution costs and the credit cost is also lower for that particular customer segment. So, you can expect a growth of somewhere around 25 % to 30% CAGR in the NBFC business over the couple of years. At the same time, in the NBFC, our one major focus is on to the co -lending business where we are entering into partnerships with the various banks and larger NBFCs to provide lending as a service and where we are onboarding the customer and it will be booked under the 80 -20, 90-10 kind of ratios. So, that's more on to the NBFC business. On the wealth space, as I had mentioned we are focusing on both retail as well as the institutional HNI customers. Our focus on the retail space is to leverage our existing branch infrastructures where we are going to utilize our existing team at the branches to distribute the mutual fund products, and other wealth-related products. On the central level, we have a dedicated team for the HNI and institutional clients. So, that 's how we are planning to grow the wealth -related business.
Okay. So, I have just one last question with respect to the NBFC. You mentioned th at majority of the loans are LAP i.e. loan against properties. What percent of the AUM is LAP?
Out of around Rs. 768 Cr roughly around Rs. 430 Cr is LAP. Around Rs. 125 Cr is commercial, used commercial vehicle. The rest is solar and other loans.
Okay. Thank you, sir.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Shubham Poruhit from SBI Securities. Please go ahead.
Congratulations sir on a good set of results especially in this challenging environment. S o, my first question is with respect to how we are placed against competitors like Angel One and Motilal Oswal. Could you highlight what is our mode compared to these competitors?
There is a difference of approach how we are taking the business model. We largely focus on the physical infrastructure. We largely focus on t he customers who are i nto semi urban . Of course, digital and physical distribution have different set of challenges and different set of benefits. So, I would say that, we have been consistently growing over the last 6 years. Of course, with a high rate of CAGR, we have been gr owing roughly around 55% to 60% kind of number in the revenues and roughly around 70% in PAT. But at the same time, in the broking business we are expecting to grow at 30% to 35% kind of CAGR over the next couple of years. The largest difference between the competitors and us , is that we prioritize the handholding of customers across their whole financial services journey , be it investments, be it the loans, be it stock market trading, etc. So, that's the kind of guidance we can give you on this question.
Okay. Thank you, sir. One last question, as we have seen in the recent past, the company has done a lot of acquisitions. Are we planning for more acquisitions going forward? If so, how are we planning to fund this?
Of course, we have done a couple of acquisitions over the recent years and we intend to continue the same. There is no doubt about it. As far as the funding for the acquisitions are concerned, we have enough internal accruals to support that.
The next question is from the line of Nayan Gala from Ertiga Wealth. Please go ahead.
Thanks for the opportunity. Can you please throw some light on the advisory business? Since this is an unrelated business, it would be great if you could give some idea as to how does this business model work? How many projects in the pipeline and overall guidance for this vertical?
Okay. I will give you a brief rework on advisory. There are two sub-segments within the advisory business, Nayan. One is the government advisory and second is the investment banking. When it comes to government advisory, we do a couple of services for the government infrastructure projects as well as financial services projects for the government. In infrastructure, we do prepare detailed project reports. So, think of a road and highway being constructed. There is a design required to be prepared, the complete document, what will be the route, what will be the material used, what will be the cost to construct, what will be the benefit of that particular project, socio-economic impact, etc. All these information is consolidated into the Detailed Project Report, which is called as DPR. We do prepare the detailed project report, we do conduct the feasibility study and once the construction starts, we do the sup ervision. As you have rightly said, this is a kind of a different business than the other group businesses. However, at the same time, this diversification support us in the challenging or turbulent times as the markets have performed not very well over the last couple of months. However, at the same time, we have seen a surge in the government advisory business, where we were able to execute government projects and get the revenue. This is very well visible in our numbers and this balances the market macroeconomic scenarios. So, that is why we are into this particular business.
Thanks, got it. Secondly, can you give some guidance on your insurance business and how are we planning to grow?
Okay, on the insurance business part, we d o both retail as well as corporate. In retail, we do largely the life, health and motor and in corporate, we do liability insurance, group mediclaim, institutional products like credit shield, etc. We have seen a very good growth over the last couple of years in the insurance business and we are very bullish that we will be able to achieve more from both the segments as we grow on the distribution space across the broking business. We will be able to do more cross-sell for the retail customers and for the institutional depth, we have a dedicated team here in Bombay as well as a couple of other branches also in the larger metros who are dedicatedly working with insurance companies to design the customized products for the need of large corporates. So, that is the plan to grow in the insurance business.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Swaraj Pathrey, an individual investor. Please go ahead.
Sir, I wanted to ask about the advisory services business. How currently our main focus is on the broking business. Are we planning to increase the share of our advisory services business? Are we going to increase the percentage revenue from this business? About the NBFC business, are we going to increase the book?
If I have understood correctly, Swaraj, you are asking about the contribution of each business vertical. Is that right?
Yes. I just wanted to ask which part of the business we will be focusing more on?
Okay. So, Swaraj, we are equally focusing on all business verticals. It is not that we are focused on any specific business vertical or any specific business is not of focus to us. However, at the same time, as the largest contribution to the total revenues comes from broking and distribution, we expect this to continue for the medium term. However, at the same time, we expect that insurance distribution, as it has been growing rapidly over the couple of years, we see that in the foreseeable future, insurance will be a separate segment. There will be total four segments, broking and distribution, excluding insurance, insurance distribution, NBFC and advisory. So, that is how we are looking to grow at all our segments.
Okay. Thank you so much.
We will move on to the next question. It is from the line of Hina Parekh from Finvest First Advisors. Please go ahead.
Hello. Thank you for the opportunity, Sir. I just had a couple of questions. I will go with the first one. What are the next steps following the in-principle approval from the SEBI to launch Mutual Fund and when do we expect to begin the operation? What kind of products will you initially focus on?
Okay. We had received the in-principle approval, I think in the month of December and we have submitted the application for the final approval. Usually, it takes 6 months time for SEBI to give the final approval after the in -principle approval. As soon as we get the final approval, we will begin with the operations. To begin with, we will be coming up with the ETF and that is going to be the first product followed by the other products.
Currently, our NBFC operations are spread across Rajasthan, Gujarat, MP, Delhi NCR and some parts of Maharashtra. In Maharashtra, we are into MMR, Mumbai Metropolitan Region. These are the focused geographies where we have been operating and these are going to remain as focused geographies in the medium term. Of course, we are expanding our NBFC operations . So, let us take an example ; if w e are operating out of town A ; we choose a town B which is i n the proximity of 50 kilometers from our existing branch and then we expand to that town B. This is the way we are approaching for our branch expansion in the NBFC business.
Okay. I understood. And one last question. Can you elaborate on our customer retention strategies considering the volatility in the market?
On the customer retention part, there is a dedicated team. We work on both the models. One is physical and second is the digital. As majority of our customers use the mobile app called Choice FinX to trade. There is a dedicated team in the digital team also which keep on sending the notifications, nudges, advantages to the customers of using the Choice FinX app. They work on retention part. Secondly, we have a central tea m which works with the branch team to ensure the customer retention. These are done by the way of provision of the quality services, through which we put our efforts to retain the customers.
Okay. Thank you so much, sir. All the very best for the coming financial year.
Thank you.
Thank you. As there are no further questions from the participants, I now hand the conference over to Mr. Arun Poddar for closing comments.
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