Brainbees Solutions Limited

Quarter ended Jun 2025

2025-08-13 Transcript PDF
Mr. Supam Maheshwari

Anuj you want to take that, or you want me to take that? So, second question we'll take. Mr. Anuj Jain Yeah, sorry, I was just unmuting. Yeah, Supam, carry on.

Mr. Supam Maheshwari

No, go ahead with the first question, at least let's answer the first question, on the acquisition bit. Mr. Anuj Jain Yeah, so on the first question, we have in our core categories, we already have quite a few categories and I think we have a very good spread of play to be able to grow, and it is very important for us to prioritize consolidation and financial prudence for us to be able to continue to grow with this kind of a margin profile. Therefore, acquisitions are not something that are on the cards or under consideration right now. On the second part, I'll let Supam take it on.

Mr. Gautam Sharma

Just to add here, Sachin, the last acquisition we made was in September 2022. So, whatever growth we are delivering since the last couple of quarters, it is all completely organic growth. Yes, completely. Mr. Supam Maheshwari So, on the second question, Sachin, from an exit path perspective, from a monetization for the shareholders of Globalbees. The company has a separate management team, which is run separately and also it has its separate board, and also it has a separate set of investors as well, apart from Brainbees as well , which include s Premji , Lightspeed, and Chiratae, and so on and so forth. Having said this, the most probable outcome for Globalbees as an outcome will be listing, which company and its shareholders will decide over a period of time, is when Brainbees also will find a monetization opportunity over a period of a few years.

Mr. Sachin Dixit

Fair enough. Thank you, and All the Best. Mr. Supam Maheshwari Thank you, Sachin.

Mr. Anish Arora

Thank you, Sachin. The next question is from Sachin Salgaonkar. Sachin, please unmute yourself. Thanks, Anish. Good day, management. A couple of questions from me, one on the core multi-channel business, and one on International. On the core multi-channel business, two parts to the question. One, are we seeing the impact of quick commerce on the business? And the question is because, you know, you guys are experimenting with this faster delivery in four cities, and clearly you're seeing traction. So I guess there is appetite for customers to get products at a much faster pace out there. The second part of this question is, clearly there were three factors which impacted the growth this quarter, consumption slowed down, last mile challenges, and what we saw in terms of the geopolitical issue. Now, the geopolitical issue is behind, and generally wanted to understand, Supam and Gautam , your thoughts on the consumption slowdown and last mile challenges. These have been there for a quarter or so, so what's the kind of a steady- state growth we should expect going ahead? At least for a few quarters before these things normalize. And, just to, call out my second question, I wanted to understand, again, the steady-state GM V growth for International business. We did see a 3% g rowth this quarter. How should one think about steady -state growth, and what are some of the things we should see from FirstCry to reach to that level?

Mr. Supam Maheshwari

Sure, Abhinav, you want to take the second question first, and then we can come to the first one. Mr. Abhinav Sharma Yeah. So, before I answer that question, I missed an update, a very important one for everybody. So very happy to announce that, in the Middle East, we'll be setting up our first store and operating our first store out of Riyadh in Saudi Arabia, well within the timelines of this quarter. Before the end of this quarter, we'll be live. So, this is our first step, baby step, while we go towards our omni-channel play, and a great testament again to the India playbook that we've evolved and developed over the last decade and a half. So Sachin, so first of f, on the GMV, I would like to mention that for the International business, I think the right sort of a number to look at is a revenue growth, not GM V growth. So, in terms of your question on the sustained growth or a steady- state model, I think, too early, right now. Because the reason why I'm saying this is because KSA is just 3 years old in the market in terms of business, and UAE is about 5, so these are still early days. However, when it comes to growth , we are very clear on our focus of having a sustained model of top-line growth. And when I say sustained, I mean maintaining an equilibrium between generating top line, which is also helping us, at the same time, reducing burn, because that's what we mentioned over the last few calls, and you've seen that in the second slide, where we've reduced the burn in absolute terms at about 30% or so. So, while we do this, we are very very clear on acquiring customers that are having a very high or a superior quality in terms of r etention, and ther eby a longer sort of a LTV for us, generating or helping us expand our gross margins as well as strengthening our moats while we do this. This journey, I would say, in its infancy right now, so we need to give it, s ome bit of time, but the light at the end of the tunnel is very clear. You've seen that the cost or the losses are cut, quarter on quarter, and you would see that progressively from here on. And you will see growth coming as well on the back of both our home brand share improving, the acceptability of our home brands in both markets, U AE and KSA, while we improve the product assortment, product quality, and we sort of ac quire and retain our customers, fending off any headwinds that we see continuously with heavy or deep discounting and, very r obust or aggressive postures on marketing spends in the ecosystem. So, our first focus is unit economics improvement and then, from there on, while we do that, from there on, we then double down on our growth and marketing spends. That gives us the sort of an open playing field to expand and to grow sustainably.

Mr. Sachin Salagonkar

And sorry, Abhinav, what kind of steady-state growth are we talking? India business is early to mid-teens. Is that something similar as a growth we should look at , in the International business? Mr. Abhinav Sharma In the foreseeable future, I think, yes, because that would be a more sort of a sustained number. But, like I said, once we achieve a unit economics that is helping us , allowing us to double down on our marketing spends, we can then achieve a certain higher growth numbers as well.

Mr. Sachin Salagonkar

Got it. And foreseeable future is 1 to 2 years, I presume, right?

Mr. Abhinav Sharma

I would say the next couple of quarters, for sure. Mr. Sachin Salagonkar Okay, got it. Thanks. Mr. Supam Maheshwari Yes, Sachin. So, com ing back to the first question. So, there are certain factors and we talked about those factors leading to the kind of growth, and I think, l ook, we are putting our efforts as, Sachin Dixit asked that question. And I think, July is a testimony of that. So somewhere, some efforts are b eing put by government policies, some efforts are being put by our own efforts, in terms of imp roving the customer experience and the planning that is underway. And some are external factors, that should be helping us, d uring the course of our journey, should not surprise us negatively. With all of those, I think July has been a month that gives us the confidence that clearly, we should be in , as I mentioned, it was in early teens for us, July over July. We believe for the rest of the fiscal year, we should be able to demonstrate, or we should be able to deliver the similar kind of a growth for the India multi-channel business. While our focus, on our effort will remain what we can influence, which is delivery experience. And a bit, rest of the stuff, there are so many finer points that we don't want to get into that. Those are related to tech, merchandise and a lot of , a list of activ ities that we will end up doing, as a management team. However, the key focus areas will remain delivery experience, and we hope , we continue, strongly believe that we should be able to demonstrate what we saw in July. Mr. Sachin Salgaonkar And so, Supam, any thoughts on quick commerce? Is that impacting business, or not so much? Mr. Supam Maheshwari Nothing has changed, Sachin, is what we have mentioned in the last quarter up date, or last couple of quarter updates. Nothing materially has changed for us , from a quick commerce, sort of a perspective. Mr. Vivek Goel So, Sachin, the overlap at the category and the brand level is quite small. So, that's what, and that has not changed, per say, from a quick commerce point of view. And as Supam said, the core focus remains on customer experience improvement and the delivery experience improvement, which had actually suffered in the previous quarter. Mr. Sachin Salgaonkar Got it. And Supam, just a clarification, w hen you talk about early teen growth, are we referring to GM V growth or the revenue growth?

Mr. Supam Maheshwari

We mean revenue growth. Mr. Sachin Salgaonkar Okay. All right, thank you. Mr. Anish Arora Thank you, S achin. The next question is from Videesha. Videesha, please unmute yourself. Ms. Videesha Sheth Hi, Thank you. Some of my questions have been answered, just one more from my end. In the PPT, the positive free cash flow which you're referring to, would also be a function of relatively slower network expansion, right? So, once that picks up, do you expect cash flow to return to the negative terrain, as the company would want to focus more on growth or customer acquisition? Mr. Supam Maheshwari Sorry, Videesha, we could not hear your question properly. Ms. Videesha Sheth Is my voice better? Anyway, more audible? Mr. Supam Maheshwari Can you please repeat your question? Ms. Videesha Sheth Yeah, sure, sure. So my question was pertaining to the cash flow. In the deck, it's mentioned that at consol level, cash flow has been, free cash flow has been positive. But what I wanted to understand was that that could also be a function of relatively slower network expansion, or relatively slower store expansion as well, right? So once the store expansion momentum picks up, do you expect the cash flow to return to the negative terrain, as the focus would be more on growth and customer acquisition? Mr. Gautam Sharma So, in fact, Videesha, Supam mentioned that we plan to open a similar number of stores in FY26, which we have opened in FY25, last year. And it doesn't create a significant difference, especially on the Capex front, even if we slowed down a bit in terms of opening a store. See, the cash generated from operations, even after working capital investment s, that remains healthy. Mr. Videesha Sheth Yeah. Mr. Anish Arora Thank you, Videesha. The next question is from Garima Mishra. Garima, please unmute yourself. Ms. Garima Mishra Hi. Thank you for the opportunity. First question is on the India business. This quarter, you posted EBITDA margin expansion of 30 basis points. Could you highlight to us the levers available in this business to further increase these margins? And you think the current pace of margin expansion is somewhat constrain ed because revenue growth has been under pressure? Mr. Gautam Sharma So Garima, the encouraging sign is, I would say, a gross margin expansion. If you see, gross margin for the India multi-channel business is continuously improving. Even in Q1 FY26 over previous year , Q1 of FY25, we have improved the gross margins by almost 120 basis points. We could not get the same benefit i n the EBITDA margins, largely because of the two reasons. One is because of the constrained in the offline growth, we got a de-leverage on the fixed cost. And plus, the experiments we are doing t o improve the last mile delivery experience for the online business, and the mix between the online and the offline has slightly changed, because the online business, tends to have more logistics costs compared to the offline business, that cost has also i ncreased, and that's the reason, the EBITDA margin expansion has reduced by almost 90 basis points. So, what I would say is the healthy thing, to see is the gross margin expansion, which is continuously improving, and once we see a positive movement in the industry growth, I think this deleverage of the fixed cost should start reversing. We believe that the increa se in the direct cost, largely coming out of the logistic s cost, i s also temporary, and in a longer run, should give us positive results. So, I think what we should see, as a health of margin expansion, is the growth of gross margin expansion, Garima. Okay, understood. Now, again, sticking to the India business only. Our CACs in the business ha ve traditionally been very low, r ight? Do you think you need to spend more towards customer acquisition, or maybe even retention? To sort of drive up GMV etc, any other growth driver, really. Mr. Vivek Goel So, Garima, in the India multi -channel busin ess, we have a very clear focus and a direction on the unit economics we are working on, right. And that focus continues. What we believe is, as some of these factors in terms of consumer expe rience and broad -based industry g rowth factors , start turning around, we should be able to double down, because there's an incremental benefit that we can get out of it. So, primarily, we are currently on the path that we have defined for ourselves. And, I think we are going to maintain on that direction.

Mr. Supam Maheshwari

So, Garima, just to sort of add on this, I would say that, look, gross margin and our growth, these are two independent objectives, these are independent paths, they're not interrelated in that sense, because, w e will continue to see a gross margin improvement because of several reasons we have talked about in our previous calls, and th ose are structural plays, that'll continue to help us to generate more gross margin. While our business is slightly different than other businesses in the online space in terms of spending more to generate, customer acquisitions and cohorts and so on and so forth. We need to fix a certain bit of a delivery experience to be able to ensure, we are on track from a new customer acquisition window. As you're seeing in AUTC as well. But at the same time, once overall consumers slow down also changes, a nd our del ivery experiences also improves, I think some of those things we'll actually start seeing in the yield that comes out, from the marketing spend that we do, otherwise, it'll not be as productive as we would wish to be. So we are on track, hopefully, in next couple of months and quarters, we'll be able to improve what we want to control, and once that happens, I think our similar marketing expense will deliver a lot more superior result, and you will see the benefit of what Gautam also talked about, the benefit of gross margin expansion yielding to the higher EBITDA expansion as well.. Mr. Gautam Sharma And in fact, if you remember, Garima, the slide which we have presented during the last quarter call, that was largely on cohort. T he cohort is continuously improving, year on year. So, we talked about cohort for the four different periods, you can see that's the power of the multi-channel business, the cohort is continuously improving.

Ms. Garima Mishra

Understood, Got it. Maybe, last one from me, if I may. Is there any SSSG number that you can share for the India offline piece? Mr. Supam Maheshwari Garima, on that, it'll be difficult, as we have already explained to you, that our model is different from a trad itional retail model. A t a catchment level, or at a city level , is what we should look at. We've spoken at length in previous calls as well, that the model is, offline, our store model generates , similar kind of contribution margin s. There's no material difference post -marketing, post-rent, b etween the two , online and offline, and that is what gives us the encouragement to continue to expand at a wallet share basis, in that catchment , for those customers, and increasing our market share, that is what w e look at, we want to focus on, rather than pure SSSG. Because that may not yield us the right outcome for us, as a team. So, that's how we are maintaining, and that's how we will continue to maintain going forward. Our capital allocation, our focus on the mix of the online and offline, to meet tho se objectives of wallet share, c onverting those footfalls into gaining more wallet share , with the customer going both online and offline, or offline and online, both ways.

Mr. Gautam Sharma

And in fact, we will again take you to the last quarter presentation, wherein, w e've tal ked about the cross - pollination. So 38% of the customers, they transact both online and offline. Mr. Supam Maheshwari For the top 20 cities. Mr. Gautam Sharma Yes, for the top 20 cities. Ms. Garima Mishra All right, understood. Thank you so much. Mr. Supam Maheshwari Thanks Garima

Mr. Gautam Sharma

Thanks Garima Mr. Anish Arora Thank you, Garima. Next question is from Tejas Shah. Tejas, please unmute yourself and ask the question. Mr. Tejas Shah Hello?

Mr. Supam Maheshwari

Yes, Tejas. We can hear you. Mr. Tejas Shah Yes. Hi, Thanks for the opportunity. So I joined in a bit late, so apologies if this question has been asked earlier. But India multi-channel margin, just 33 basis point expansion YoY. I believe that this particular aspect of the business was irrespective of the revenue growth, because we were working very dilige ntly and in a calibrated way on private label or, sorry, your home brand's expansion. So, just wanted to know, is this quarter aberration and we can see acceleration in this going forward in the year ? Or there are any more factors which are putting pressure over here. Mr. Supam Maheshwari So, Tejas, yeah, we d id cover this particular point. Happy to sort of repeat it as well. Look, we delivered 120 bps increase in our gro ss margin in India Multichannel. Although, only 30 bps got translated into Adjusted EBITDA. The loss of 90 b ps happened on account of largely, a few factors, but largely, we would want to call out two factors. One is, s ome of the experiments that we are doing on the last mile , improving delivery experience a nd plus some deleverage that has happened in the offline , stores business, b ecause of the growth. I think over a period of next few quarters, as what you see in July, the growth is back in early teens for the enti re India multi-channel business, which will help us to reverse the deleverage and also the experiments that we are doing around online, sort of a logistics, it is a temporary phenomenon over a period of time, we will be able to, as we build volumes, we'll be able to bring that back into a normalized sort of a direct cost. And thereby, we'll be able to translate a large, significant part of our gross margin expansion to the EBITDA. And gross margin expansion will continue to happen over a period of time, because that's quite structural in our framework. Mr. Tejas Shah Clear. Second, when I scan the broader retail universe, what has happened is that there was a phase of bunched -up demand post-COVID. And a lot of players responded to that by expanding retail footprint. And now, for the last one and a half year, we are seeing that there's a lot of consolidatio n of demand in terms of footprint happening across. And then, just in line, in the tune with the demand scenario. So, just wanted to know, we also had a very phenomenal run there. But looking at the new macro realities and consumption in particular, do you think we'll go through that phase of consolidation? First of all, do we warrant that? Mr. Supam Maheshwari Look, it's a fair question, Tejas. I think the p layers who are nimble, who are agile, w ill evolve. You're right in the observation that we had all seen a very good flip post-covid, during COVID and post -COVID period. The retail saw a lot of jump. I think in this phase of the journey for at least maybe till the time the whole macros change, I think some of these moments give us, give opportunities to players, at least that's what we believe, at least the management team of FirstCry believes, that periods like these are good periods for us to be able to strengthen our moats, strengthen our operating capabilities. And as and when the winds turn around, it w ill give us the significant flip in a very short period of time to be able to capitalize and deliver sort of an outperformance on numbers. Because those factors that would have helped us to be on improving and perfecting some of those things, whether it is related to last mile logistics, whether it is related to tech, merchandising, personalization, store, sort of a wallet shares, unit economics, I think all of those things will actually make us more nimble, more and I can only sort of comment and assure, all of you, that we as a team are, at le ast in that cohort of companies which, we'll be far more nimble, and we'll be able to deliver and be able to capitalize when the wind turns around. So I think that's how I would summarize it and we are all going through that phase, but, we remain very confident. We, as a team, in over the last 15 years, have seen several cycles like that . Personally, I've seen more, but as a team together also, we have seen a few cycles like that, but I think, it just makes us stronger. Mr. Tejas Shah Sure, and th e last one, if I may. Customer additions have dropped dramatically, so just wanted to know, how should we read on that from market lens perspective? Market share lens perspective? Mr. Supam Maheshwari Vivek, you want to take that? Or you want me to take that? Mr. Vivek Goel So Tejas, the customer additions in terms of both, all o ur numbers remain pretty stable, right. The CAC and other factors are also quite stable , from that window. I think some of the challe nges which we mentioned earlier, as they get solved, we can potentially see that, we can see a better acceleration in that front. And in July, we have already seen that, as Supam mentioned. So it'll reflect in the overall numbers as well, as the individual acquisition numbers, as we move forward in the following quarters. Mr. Tejas Shah Sure. Thanks and all the best for coming quarters.

Mr. Supam Maheshwari

Thank you, Tejas Mr. Anish Arora Thank you, Tejas. Next question is from Su crit. Sucrit, please unmute yourself. Introduce yourself and the organization and please ask your question. Mr. Sucrit Patil Yes. Good Evening to the FirstCry team. Am I audible? Mr. Supam Maheshwari Yes. Mr. Sucrit Patil Yeah. Good Evening. My name is Sukrit Patel from i sight FinTrade Private Limited. And my question is to Mr. Supam Maheshwari. First of all, I'd like to congratulate the entire team on a strong traction in the omni -channel engagement and private label growth. So my question is, given FirstCry's deep access to early pa renting cohorts a nd the expanding offline footprint. How are you thinking about evolving the platform from a commerce -led model to a lifecycle-led ecosystem, potentially integrating services like, early education, health, or FinTech? Specifically tailored to parenting milestones and is there a roadmap to monetize trust and data across the many verticals beyond retail? Mr. Supam Maheshwari Good question, Sucrit. So, look I think, I would just simply say that we're already in early education. As you know, we have, 300 plus preschools, that we operate, quite profitably. That is part of our fourth segment, it's a small one for us, but from a strategy window, it has very beautiful outcomes for us . Over a period of time, when we will have 1,000 preschools and you will imagine that the strategic benefit that preschools will give us in any catchment. In thousand catchments , over a period of time, w e'll have our stores, we'll have a preschool, t hat essentially helps us to build, brand salience with the customers in an offline way, while online, obviously, we are present. So that helps us to reduce our marketing spend over a longer period of time, as we continue to reinforce our brand in those vicinities of that catchment. So that's while generating an asset light , profitable, very strongly profitable business sort of a model, as well as preschool is concerned. So that is an identified opportunity , we started in 2019. Obviously, we had COVID, a nd then we continued post - COVID, a good traction on that front. While under some of the other opportunities that you talked about, whether it is health-related or fintech-related, at this moment, we are not going for any new opportunities. Yes, t hese opportunities, over a longer horizon, we will evaluate. But at this moment, we will remain focused o n largely the four verticals that we have been working towards, which is India Multi-Channel. We strongly believe it's a very huge opportunity for us to continue to nail down that. International, UAE & KSA business, we have to make this business profitable on a shorter timeframe. Third, obviously, Gloablbees, continue to do well. And, fourth is this preschool. So we'll continue to remain in this sort of a spectrum right now. Once we have outperformed in some of this, where we feel, we have reason to think beyond that, is when we will probably think about, moving towards, health or fintech kind of an opportunity. They are relevant, they can add to our ecosystem, you're absolutely right, but at this moment, they may not be the right set of opportunities for us to sort of address. Mr. Sucrit Patil Great Supam. That was a very good guidance. Just to close the loop, I just want to understand, just want to pick your brains, as a CEO of the company, as you explore these adjacent opportunities, I want to understand how do you internally evaluate which verticals to pursue? Whether, it's early learning, health, or financials. And, is there a strategic framework that guides you on how to balance between the brands? Evaluate the monetization potential and the execution complexity in each of the frameworks. Mr. Supam Maheshwari Sure. Sucrit, while I can answer on this, and to save everybody's time, we can discuss this particular question offline, but I can just guide you. Simply, you look at s trategic benefit for the company, for the core business. That's the fundamental point. The strategic benefit has to be really, really super strong, and then you look at it from a ROCE window, in terms of timeframe. So, like, a health business can be very investment unfriendly for the initial few period, few years, which is what we don't want to do it right now. School business, preschool business, was very friendly from a ROCE perspective, because, p retty much it has an infinite ROCE. While it serves our strategic objective, that's how we got into it. And we are scaling it up, and we'll continue to scale this up. So maybe this is, like, a broad framework, strategic benefit, and a clear focus and eye on the ROCE perspective, you align these two. Once these two things , filter out some of these opportunities, and you think whether you want to, then you go to the execution part, in terms of, h ow you execute, how easy it is to execute, and so on and so forth. So, that's a broad framework, but we can get into more specifics, maybe offline. I hope that helps. Mr. Sucrit Patil Yeah, yeah, great great. Thank you very much, and I wish the entire team best of luck for all your future endeavors. Mr. Supam Maheshwari Thank you, Sucrit. Mr. Anish Arora Thank you, Su crit. Would request the participants to raise your hands in case anyone has any questions. Mr. Supam Maheshwari Alright. Thank you, everyone. Mr. Vivek Goel Thank you, everyone Mr. Anish Arora Thank you, everyone E&OE - This transcript is edited for factual err ors. In case of discrepancy, the audio video recordings uploaded on the stock exchange on 13th August 2025 will prevail.