Thank you very much. We will now begin the question -and-answer session. The first question is from the line of Tarang from Old Bridge Asset Management. Please go ahead.

Hi, good evening. Congrats for a strong quarter and the compliance outcomes that you received for a couple of your facilities in the last quarter. I had a couple of questions actually. One, just to get the health of the organic, the base business ex-Senn. Is there any positive or negative one- off in this quarter?

So, Tarang, one -off with respect to the overall granules group you are asking or any specific question?

So, the US FDA consultancy expenses is continuing. Other than that, it is more or less similar. Of course, post-acquisition of Ascelis, there is a full quarter loss in the current quarter.

With the first quarter of Ascelis integrated into the business, would it be fair to presume that all the fixed costs associated are baked into your P&L and this is the trend that we should see going forward or we could see further escalation in your cost structures?

In terms of fixed cost, Tarang, full quarter expenses have been considered. So, it will be similar going forward. Maybe some additional if at all if you want to hire a headcount. And with respect to the revenue and profitability visibility, Sanjay has already covered in his discussion. Sanjay, do you want to add on?

Sure. So, Tarang, the same thing as Mukesh confirmed. There could be minor headcount-related expenditure as we build our operations in India going forward. But from the revenue and the cost perspective, things are expected to get better from here.

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Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ritwik Sheth from One Up Financial. Please go ahead.

Hi. Good evening, sir. So, a few questions from my end. So, firstly, Ascelis includes Senn Chemicals, right?

Yes, Ritwik.

Okay. So, this 20 crores is related to c ompletely Senn chemicals. Would that be a right understanding?

It is largely Senn chemicals only. Ascelis, we have just started some of the R&D infrastructure setup.

Okay. Got it. And sir, in your opening remarks, you mentioned that you expect to turn profitable in Ascelis Peptide. So, what kind of revenue trajectory should we expect going forward in Ascelis Peptide and Senn chemicals combined? And what is the base right now? If you can give us that figure for Q2?

Sanjay, why don't you go ahead with that? But basically, I don't think we don't give guidelines. But Sanjay, you can give a strategic outlook.

Yes. Sure. Happy to jump in See, we will be unable to diverge the details at a quarterly split level. But it's safe to assume that the base with which we acquired is just under 20 million. And the growth will be multiple around that. We are not looking at incremental growth around it. But we will not be able to provide you a quarter-to-quarter guidance. And current base business is in no way a reflection to what we intend to build, given the excitement in the peptide space. And the encouraging new inquiries that we are receiving bases are Swiss and India play. So, we will leave it at qualitative at this moment. Yes, that's where I will stop.

Sure, and sorry to hop upon Ascelis peptide and Senn Chemicals , what is the capital employed in Ascelis peptide and Senn Chemicals?

there's no major change from what we have said in the last earnings call. It is a total Rs. 450 crore of acquisition debt plus equity. And additionally, we have invested another 100 crores for additional scaling up of CAPEX.

Okay. And what could be the asset turn that you would have going forward once you completely integrate this over the next two years? Can you give some sense on that?

It's a CDMO business. So, CDMO business asset term would be completely different than the normal business. And also the margin profiles would be completely different. So, we are generally not giving sales guideline. But what Sanjay has clarified already is, there is a base and we are not looking at simple incremental growth. It will be a multiple of the base.

Got it. And what is the internal timeline to scale this up? Would it be two years-three years or sooner than that? Just to get a qualitative sense on that.

Sanjay, can you answer that?

Sure. So, the first year we want to just make sure that we turn profitable. And FY '27, that's the target is to turn it profitable. In terms of a build out, the CDMO business is typically a long lead item. But it doesn't mean that we have to wait out three years to get to what we realize. I think we have been good shape in starting with the six months from now to an 18 month period. That's where we start converting some of the inquiries into the real businesses for ourselves. And we keep our investment proportional to the kind of projects that we start getting in. So, aga in, stopping short of guidance, b ut we are not looking at a very, very long term beyond three year horizon. But the real build out happens from a one to three year period itself. Again, a multiplier function, not an incremental function.

Got it. And I have one more question. Can I go ahead?

Yes, go ahead.

So, sir, if you see in the last 2 to 3 years, we have been around this ballpark, top line of approximately 700 to 1,200 crores per quarter. And earlier in the last phase from 2014 -2015 to 2022, we have grown at double digit. So, would you think that with all these remediation and the new site getting approvals one -by-one, would you suggest that we would start growing at double digit from FY'27 onwards on the topline on the base business and plus peptide business?

I think you are right, Tarang. We were constrained by certain things last few years. But now, like I said in my opening remarks, we are going to have a breakout and get back on our growth track.

Got it. Okay, sir. Thank you and all the best.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Tarang from Old Bridge Asset Management. Please go ahead.

I was lost in the middle. So, the last few questions were not by me. They were from someone else.

Okay, go ahead.

Sir, just to get a better sense of the German subsidiary that's been incorporated, what's the thought process there? And number two, we saw very strong traction in both your Europe business as well as your US business this quarter. So, has that got to do anything with Paracetamol coming back?

A little bit, Tarang. Not totally Paracetamol. But now your first question about the German subsidiary. We are focusing on EU growth now. And we need to have an arrangement for stocking and selling. So, that's the reason we are starting a subsidiary there. It will not be a big affair, but slowly we see growth there. And regarding the growth, EU is going as per plan. We had a little dull slowdown in the last quarter, but it's on track now. And of course, the US, as we anticipated, mentioned many times, we are expecting a very strong growth from our US manufacturing especially, more than Indian products sold in the US. GPI as a standalone unit has picked up and doing quite well. And we anticipated good growth from there.

Has that meaningfully contributed this quarter?

Yes, Tarang.

Okay. Thank you guys. All the best.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Priti Agarwal from SK Associates. Please go ahead.

Thank you so much for the opportunity. I would like to know what were the key drivers behind the increase in EBITDA?

The key driver is largely operational efficiency. Operational efficiency, of course, includes various things in terms of yield improvement and some of the leveraging on the packing side, etc. And also product mix. And this EBITDA margin could have been further higher if EBITDA loss of peptides was not there. So, the product mix and operational efficiency has helped us in improving EBITDA.

Understood. And how did the 200 million EBITDA loss from Ascelis peptides affect overall profitability?

So, the turnover we have already covered in the presentation. So, it is almost similar number of turnover quarter-on-quarter in Ascelis, Rs. 28 crores-Rs. 29 crores. And the EBITDA loss is about Rs. 20 crores from Ascelis.

Understood, sir. Thank you so much and all the very best.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Maitri Shah from Sapphire Capital. Please go ahead.

Hello. Just on the peptide business. So, we said that we will turn profitable. Are we expecting to turn PAT profitable or EBITDA profitable by Q4?

In Q4 we should be PAT profitable.

And do we see a lot of program coming in in this business, that is why we are expecting this PAT profitable from Q4 or this is mostly on...How do we expect this growth to happen?

I understood the question. So, we do have the visibility for the Q4 right now and if execute it well, we are hopeful of turning profitable in Q4. And that's very much in the side. On the inquiries and on the new projects, those are longer lead items and those will get realized subsequently. But our Q4 performance will not be largely dependent on those development or any outcome of those discussions. But yes, there are indeed some great discussions that is ongoing. But I will just caveat it by saying that these are slightly long lead time discussions and we will have to wait out. But we are very hopeful of converting those.

Okay. So, then the entirety of FY'27, do we expect these inquiries to convert or are we expecting them to happen post FY'27?

So, these are typically, we are talking to innovators with their in clinical assets and their programs. It could be a calendar year 26, financial year 27. And the visibility we have is over a longer horizon as well. These will have the projects and the programs at various stages. In FY'27, we are in discussion with companies with a program in FY '28 and subsequently for the later stages the project goes through. So, these are very long lead time discussions. Part of it can be realized in the co ming year. And there will be an ongoing component from there based on the success of a project. And we become a co-traveler along the innovators on the agenda.

Okay. And secondly, what sort of revenues do we need to clock in to have a positive EBITDA and also a positive PAT? I don't want any guidance, but hitting this revenue figure can turn us profitable, basically?

I won't be able to give you the exact detail, but when you see the Q4 numbers, we will get a better idea on what could be a breakeven number, both on EBITDA and PAT front. We do have the visibility and we will cross that in Q4.

What sort of visibility do we have, sir? Are these contracts that something we got into before this business was incorporated?

As a part of our project, there are certain commercial products out of the previous project, which have gone to a commercial stage and there are supply commitments and those are phased out along different quarters. The visibility that we have for the Q4 for those commercial supplies items will help us take us over the profitability benchmark and breakeven numbers.

So, these projects, these commercial projects will continue throughout FY '27. Is that also correct?

Yes, that will also be correct.

So, could you give us like an annual range of what is this commercial project, like what sort of annual revenue we see?

We cannot divulge more detail on more granularity into the business at this point in time.

Okay. Yes, that is it from my side. Thank you so much for answering.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Aditya from Sowilo Investment Managers. Please go ahead.

Thank you for the opportunity. My question is on the Gagillapur facility. So, I think earlier the timeline we were looking at was December 2025 to get the FDA to re -inspect. Are we still on that timeline?

No, not really, Aditya. We expected once we were ready for the inspection and once we inform FDA, we thought that they would come for a quick re -inspection. So, we did get back to them last month and they gave us a meeting only in January of '26. And after that, how long they are going to take is something we will see. But from our side, we are ready and let's hope that it all happens fast.

Okay. So, just to understand, so now when we say that we need them to come and inspect, so what kind of like in terms of say, I don't know if it's the right word to use, but revenue loss because of this we are facing or is it that we are compensating for the volumes to some other facility?

We had constraints in capacity and we were not operating at full capacity, Aditya. Definitely there was a revenue loss because of that. We did compensate from our US manufacturing quite well and a little bit on OTC products from our GLS facility. But now with the approval of the GLS facility by the FDA, we will be able to manufacture more RX products from here and we should be able to make up for and we should be able to increase our revenues. However, once the Gagillapur facility is out of the warning letter, we have some approvals, new products that are pending. And once we get those, I think there'll be a better increase in revenue.

Okay. So, basically it's not, it's not that the existing ones which will get spread. We have, there is scope for further revenue growth once it comes back online, right?

That's right. Not only from GLS, but also from Gagillapur itself, there'll be better growth.

Understood. That was my question. Thank you.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ritwik Sheth from One Up Financial. Please go ahead.

Thank you for the follow-up. So, just one question, you mentioned that the consultancy expenses are still going on in this quarter. So, can you just give us that figure for Q2 and H1 FY'26?

Sure. FY26, I would hesitate to give because continuously we are monitoring, but Q2 actual numbers I can give, it's at about $2 million in the quarter.

Okay. And first half?

First half is also, first quarter also of similar number.

Okay. So, basically there's a $4 million expenses that we have incurred in H1 FY'26.

That is right.

Trend of it coming down. I think it'll come down in Q3 and Q4, it'll come down drastically.

Okay. So, FY'27, this would be close to nil?

Yes. That's the expectation. Quite confident.

We have already applied, made applications for some of the products and some more are being filed right now, which will be a CB-30 and we expect quick approval. I think about 4 to 5 products will be transferred from Gagillapur and that will give us the needed capacity.

Got it. And sir, can you throw some color on the control substance growth for H1 F Y'26 and how do you see it panning out in the next couple of years?

I think Priyanka, can you take that question?

Sure. The control substances were pretty stable over the first two quarters, but going forward, we have about, do you want short term or long term?

For next 2 to 3 years.

Two to three years, we will see possibly one to two approvals from the side, but then most of our products are about 2 to 3 years out. So, we will have the launches happen three years post because most of them are patent protected and some of them are first to file. So, we do expect tentative approvals to come in within the next quarter.

And what kind of growth can we expect from this business?

Without giving exact numbers, I will say that there's going to be a significant growth over the next 3 years to 10 years because we have products filed until 2035. So, we have a lot of confidence in this particular pillar of growth and we are very excited to see this pan out.

Yes. Okay. That's it for my time.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Vivek Gupta from Star Investment. Please go ahead.

Actually, I just happened to join the call a little late, so I am not sure if the question was answered previously. But I just wanted to know what factors contributed to the revenue growth in formulation markets in North America and Europe?

The question was answered, but for your benefit, I think Mukesh will go through it again.

Yes. So, in the current quarter, sequentially also, we have grown significantly better. So, some of the remediation activities are robust enough. The productivity improvement has happened already in Gagillapur. Genome Valley also started giving monograph products. And in the near future, we will have other products also as per approval Q3-Q4 onwards. In addition to that, the year-on-year growth was significantly contributed because last year quarter, there was a USFDA audit observation and th e plant was temporarily shut down. And third pillar of growth on the formulation, which is just now Priyanka has clarified, controlled substances also significantly contributing to the growth.

Actually, I will also answer, I will also respond to that. We have also won some awards with our existing business. And if you recall a couple of, I mean, every concall, I always keep saying that some of the products that we pick are long -term products in terms of gaining market share. So, we do have products that we got approval for about almost 2 to 3 years back, and we are still gaining share on those products. So, if you look at IMS data, you'll see that slowly we penetrate the market. Most of the products, we start with 5, 10, 15, and we go up to a very, very decent market share. And that's also contributed to the growth in North America this quarter.

Okay. That helps. So, sir why did the company voluntarily pause the production at the Gagillapur plant in Q2 FY'25?

This was discussed and explained in the past, Vivek, but then I will explain once again. See, once the FDA brought in some serious concerns, we just cannot say we are good, we will keep continuing, we will continue to produce. So, we took a pause to assess the exact situation and to prove to ourselves and to the FDA that there is no risk, the product is good, there's no cross - contamination in the product. And we also told the FDA, we have taken a pause. And they told us, you don't have to take a pause, you can continue production. We wanted to hear from the FDA rather than doing it ourselves. And that has gone a long way in convincing the FDA that we are a very compliant company.

Okay. So, how did API and PFI sales in the rest of the world markets impact the overall revenue growth?

It has been pretty good. It is there in the investor presentation. We have done good growth of PFI in the LATAM market, which we had constraints in Q1 because of the capacity. Now, with the available capacity, with the robust remediation activities in place, we have capacity available and we are growing.

Okay. Thank you. That was from my side and all the best for the future quarters.

Thank you, Vivek.

Thank you. As there are no further questions from the participant, I would now hand the conference over to the management for the closing comments. Over to you, sir.

Once again, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for joining us and we appreciate your questions. And I hope that we have done our best to answer them a nd in case you need some more clarifications, please feel free to reach out to our CFO and he will be able to update you. Thank you once again and have a good day.

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