First question is from the line of Krupashankar from Avendus Spark.
Quarter ended Sep 2025
My first question would be on the capacity addition, while you did mention that there will be high- teens capacity addition in the second half of FY '26. We're also noting that the competitors are also adding substantial capacities in the sector. Now taking this into consideration, are you seeing the yields remain robust? And any challenges with respect to the yields? Also, do you expect any escalation in costs and that can shape up the yields over the second half?
Krupa, you're right. We're looking at a significant capacity addition as we go into Q3. It's going to be in the high teens. So based on the trends that we've seen in October, there is definitely an increase in the yields. Again, that is also given the fact that Diwali, which was in November last year has moved into October. So, we did have a very strong October performance. Like I said in the opening statements also, for Q3, we are at least looking at a flattish PRASK, if not slightly better. So, the October has been very strong. We are still looking at a flattish to a sligh tly better performance in terms of PRASK unit revenue performance. Given the fact that last year also was a very strong Q3 performance. So, our strong Q3 performance last year, similar performance from PRASK, we are anticipating this quarter also, Q3, and a significant capacity push, which is in the high teens is the way we are looking at the quarter.
Got it. And any cost escalations you're expecting, Gaurav?
For the cost escalation also I kind of alluded to. One is going to be the FX. We'll have to see because we do have U.S. dollar -denominated expenses. So, while we do have the mark -to-market movements, but there are underlying costs related to U.S. dollar-denominated expenses, which will naturally move in line with the way the FX is going to move. Having said that, one of the elements that we covered in our opening statement is the AOGs, the AOGs what we had anticipated were to taper down. We were in the high 70s in Q1 of last year. We've managed the situation very well to bring it down to mid -40s. We are actively engaged with the OEMs, but the guidance right now is that this number will remain in that particular range. So, it's going to be a range bound. We are in active discussion. If the AOG doesn't trend downwards, obviously, there is going to be a cost dimension. There's an element of claims, and we've always said that the claims do not cover the cost. So that's going to be one dimension of the cost that we do foresee. Let's see how that plays out, depending on how the AOG situation plays out. Alternate to that, we are going to be beefing up capacity in the form of damp leases. So, we are bringing in more damp leases. Those damp leases, as we had earlier also kind of mentioned, are at a marginally higher cost compared to if they were our own fleet. That was something that had tapered down. We had returned most of our damp leases by the time we were coming into Q2. We'll start scaling up. So, there is going to be a bit of a cost element, which is going to start creeping upwards. We've mentioned that also in our opening script, where we're seeing at least early single digit increases in unit cost structures. But let's see how the yield environment plays out. It's been very strong in October. We anticipate, again, a flattish to a slightly higher yield structure, which will offset some of these costs that I've talked about.
Got it. I think on pilot inflationary costs, given the attrition pressures, which have been spoken about on public forum. Anything to talk about that?
The attrition scenario remains stable, and we've spoken about this also in the past that there’s a new FDTL norm that has kicked in from November. So given that the FDTL has now kicked in, there is going to be some element of cost dimension that is going t o start playing out. There is going to be an increased cost that we'll have to incur related to the implementation of the FDTL. How that kind of plays out given the various efforts that we are trying internally within the organization to optimize productivity and to keep the cost low. But we do anticipate there will be a slight uptick in the cost given the new Phase 2 that has been kind of implemented. While it's a scaled-down version from what was initially proposed by the regulators, but nonetheless, there will be some incremental cost.
Next question is from the line of Binay from Morgan Stanley.
Congratulations for a good set of results.
Binay, sorry to interrupt you. Can you speak a little louder, please, you are sounding too soft.
Congratulations on a good quarter. I'll just pick up from the earlier question. Gaurav, you talked about early single digit increase in CASK ex fuel. Earlier, we were talking about it to be flat. And in your opening remarks, you also said there is a counter support in that in the top line also in terms of compensation. So, when you take both into account at the profitability level, also the picture sort of deteriorate or it remains unchanged?
So, there are various drivers that are hitting the CASK. One is the FX. So, there's no offset to that. So, there is going to be pressure that is going to come in from an FX standpoint, the U.S. dollar denominated. The piece I was alluding to offset is going to be the AOG. So, if the number of the AOG doesn't kind of move in what we had anticipated, the cost related to AOG is going to come in the cost side, whereas the claims will come as we've kind of communicated in the past on the revenue side, so revenue from other operations. So that's going to be the offset that will be there, but not all elements of costs will not have an offset. It's largely the AOG bit that will have an offset sitting in the revenue side. But barring that, there is going to be costs related to what I menti oned in terms of FX that is there. Obviously, the damp leases that we are getting in will be an increased cost, there's no offset to that also. So, there is going to be a marginal increase on the CASK side in the early single digits that I mentioned. So, part of it, offset in the revenue but large part is still going to be an increased cost.
And secondly, when we look at your capacity guidance, on a Q -o-Q basis, this will be one of the sharpest capacity increases that we've seen from IndiGo in a long time. Could you share a little bit of thoughts about how does it go between domestic and inter national? Because like last quarter, bulk of the capacity went to international. And secondly, linked to that, typically, we see Q2 is always a buildup quarter. You had a lot of costs ahead of Q3 in terms of staff, in terms of damp leases. So fair to say that some of these costs for this very sharp 16% jump in capacity Q-o-Q are built into Q2?
Binay, your voice is all muffled, so we were hardly able to hear. I don't know the moderator if you were able to hear, but at least at our end, it was not coming through.
Is this better, Gaurav?
Yes. Now it's better. Again, please try.
Yes. So, when we look at capacity guidance for Q3, on a Q -o-Q basis, this is one of the biggest increases that we've seen from the company. Could you share the breakup between domestic international, how you are thinking? And secondly, fair to assume that some of the costs related to this capacity would have been built into Q2 costs also?
Again, the large part of the capacity increase is going to happen again, disproportionate towards the international. Like as you're aware that we are scaling up to a large extent, on the wide -body operations and long-haul operations. So, we've already announced some of those partly got played out in the second quarter with Manchester as well as Amsterdam. And subsequently, we've also opened Copenhagen and London Heathrow. And there's more to come. So, a large part of the capacity development, both on the wide-body side, even on the narrow body is going to be on the international. We will continue to kind of grow capacity on the domestic side subject to, again, the opening of some of these airports that have got deferred out while we were hopeful that they will open up a little earlier than what we had anticipated, but they're kind of moving to the right. So, in short, we will deploy capacity where there is an opportunity and we feel it's the right place to go, but a disproportionate increase is going to be towards international.
If I may add there, I think the quarter-over-quarter capacity development is not the most important. We just take a step back and look to the strategy, which we have launched 3 years ago, we would become for largely domestic operator into an international or, if you wish, global operator. And the things we have been doing ever since, we have kind of doubled our international footprint from a little over 20 destinations 3 years back to 43 today, and we continue to build on that. The growth is even larger when we look to the number of routes, and the number of routes today is exceeding the number of hundreds. So, we're kind of building on these numbers. And we'll continue to do that quarter -over-quarter. We've given an earlier guidance of having in the range of 30% of our ASKs in terms of international. We have achieved that. And with the wide bodies coming in, that percentage will grow to 40%. So, you'll continue to see these variations, and I think it's good when we speak about Q2, optimize capacity. We see that on the domestic side, we had basically a flattish situation and basically all the growth was only in international side. And domestic was a mixture of the Delhi airport closure and some capacity reallocation, which we have done. So, the opportunity , I mean, more strategically rather than quarter -over-quarter comparison, is there's an enormous growth market and with that growth market, IndiGo continues to grow well. I think IndiGo is very well positioned with enormous order book we're having. That's one. Two, the international side, where the capacity share of Indian operators was significantly lower than foreign operators. We're rapidly catching up. And we see now that on the international side we are one of the leading airlines rather than a small player in that field going forward. In the near future, the XLR will help us to make the next step that's arriving in the next quarter, and we'll go into the operation in Q4. And clearly, the further growth of the wide body. So again, quarter-over-quarter, we see this dimension, but it's part of a holistic and larger strategy where you see the dimension moving into building that network. And our domestic network will remain the backbone of the IndiGo operation connecting the nation, having this impressive 94 destination I have shared that earlier, 90% of the Indian population lives within 100 kilometres of an IndiGo served airport, that in itself, I think, is a very strong statement and a very strong asset we're having. And with that, that international connectivity is building, not only for Indian customers, but increasingly also for foreign customers who choose India as a transfer point for their journey. And we see that for example, with the flights coming from both Manchester and Amsterdam, connecting in Mumbai to other parts, either domestic or international.
Next question is from line of Prateek Kumar from Jefferies India.
Congrats for the results. My question is around you said that you're looking to accelerate international, while still your PRASK guidance remains flat to positive year -on-year. There is a general perception or understanding that international yields are li ke kind of weaker versus domestic. So that PRASK guidance kind of factor your accelerated addition into international side?
If you look at the yields per ASK, by definition, the longer that you fly, the lower the yield per ASK. So that, I guess, is an observation. But the same would go for the cost per ASK, the further you fly the lower the cost per ASK. So, I think that, you cannot just draw the conclusion that flying international is having a lower yield because also you have a lower unit cost. That's one. Second observation here is that given the geographical position of India, we're having the opportunity to expand to East, West, North, now clearly with China being added. We have a new opportunity of opening new revenue markets. So, the international network also allows us to participate in markets, which have stronger seasonality and stronger variations. I think some of the things we have been doing is moderate our domestic capacity and reallocated international and also, we could do the other way around. So increasingly, this international footprint allows us to put capacity where at that point in time, market and demand is and as such, optimize the revenues. Another thing, and perhaps that will come in a later question, but let me preemptively address it. The internationalization helps us also by addressing some of the natural currency hedges we're going to do a more internationalization that clearly brings i n again here in unit revenue, not only unit revenue in rupees, but also in dollars or euros or British pounds. So, we get all this foreign currency coming in, which clearly helps us to provide a more natural hedge. So again, here, it's a combination of all the different factors as, I would say, holistic ingredients of our strategy.
Sure. And one other question is kind of related. So, we have like now an almost 1 year of launch of Stretch seats on domestic routes. How is the unit revenue like sort of panned out on a blended basis on that segment versus your ongoing economy segment in domestic routes? Or maybe a blended average for company?
Yes. We're very pleased with the start. So, we started indeed almost 1 year ago in the middle of November of last year. You may recall, we started on the route Delhi to Mumbai and then it took a couple of months before all the planes were there, and that's from I guess the middle of Jan of this year, that was done. And then we moved to Bangalore and then moved to Hyderabad. So, what we see now is that the flights which were launched initially have really picked up steam and customers are increasingly better aware and knowledgeable of the product and things were happening. It's to some extent, also connected, I would say, to our loyalty program because clearly, a certain part of the Stretch customers are those who are flying frequently and those were also signed up for a loyalty program. So, we see that the actual load on those flights with a combination of Stretch and economy class is actually doing very, very well. Again, the ones we introduced at the beginning, like Delhi-Mumbai has matured, the ones we have introduced more recently like D elhi-Kolkata or are still in, I would say, in the growing phase and will take a bit of time to further mature and get the market awareness. Enthused by the positive reaction on the wide body in Bangkok, we've decided to accelerate or prepone some of the international expansion. So, we started flights into Singapore, Bangkok and Dubai with international stretch. Load factors there are actually better even than the domestic one. It's just 12 seats on these highly business routes and actually performing well as the demand is actually v ery good. So that enthuses us to look at other opportunities. We haven't decided it yet, but clearly, we will look to further optimization. I think here, again, the strategic picture is not what was the load factor on a specific route in the last quarter. But as part of our journey in becoming a global aviation player, does this make sense and if we take stock now after a year it certainly has and will optimize a little bit the exact allocation of domestic and international. I think we have done the right thing by putting this only on the nation's busiest and business routes. We may optimize a little bit here and there. We put our toe in the water when it comes to short - range international, Bangkok, Dubai, Singapore, that's resonating very well. So, for sure, we'll continue to build on that. And the overall unit revenue of a plane with and without actually is a better proposition on the planes with.
Next question is from the line of Bhavin from Sameeksha Capital.
Yes. I just wanted to ask and wondering on from a cash flow perspective, and I'm only looking at the cash items in the cash flow, what is likely to be the growth or relationship of increase in the lease payments and interest on lease, those items in the financing that reflect the aircraft cost. How do we think about that in relation to capacity growth or whichever metric you can track because of the change in the aircraft acquisition strategy?
Bhavin, probably this will take a bit more time, and we can have a separate discussion. But if you look at the cash flow that we published for September, you will see our CFOA increasing. So, year- over-year, you'll see the increase in CFOA. As we continue to grow business, the cash flow correspondingly is increasing. Through that increased cash flow, obviously, we've been able to manage to pay all our leases as well as any obligation related to the leases. We do have incremental cash that got generated in this quarter. Between June to September, we've added close to IN R4,000 crores of cash on top. So we continue to kind of increase our cash generation through the operations and the growth that we have, the cash flow is supposed to keep increasing. Having said that, we now need to disclose the cash to utilization. We already have, as I mentioned in my opening remarks, close to INR38,000 crores of cash that we've accumulated. A large part of that is going to be towards our safety net that we want to ensure we have. Beyond that, we are deploying cash towards, what was mentioned, towards investments in MROs that we are coming up with. A large part is going to be going towards infrastructure bills and digitization, and the rest is going to be towards financing most of our aircrafts, whether it's in the form of taking more finance lease where you have an equity participation or outright purchases, those are the areas we'll continue to kind of explore. But if you need further colo ur around the cash, you can separately have a conversation with the IR team.
When we started this wide body expansion, the notion for us was we have ordered the Airbus 350s. However, it will take a couple of years before they will be delivered. That's the nature of the industry we're in. And I think I mentioned at that point in tim e, India is in a hurry and so is IndiGo. So we didn't want to wait for that. So, we signed up for the 6 in basically 2 steps. It's too early to judge. We started on July 1, actually, the flights into Amsterdam and Manchester. The fact that we're expanding on Manchester that we have expanded on Amsterdam, you can take both of that as a positive sign. Same goes for the first start on Copenhagen and London. Now it takes a bit of time. We've launched these flights relatively short for departure. But looking at the performance, we speak a lot on the passenger side, but also on the cargo side, I think it's important to mention that the number is 90 -plus percent of all cargo out of India is flying on non - Indian operators. So, the opportunity for Indian operators is to be part of the Make in India story is really helpful. So we actually see good loads on the cargo side, both in and outbound. So we're very encouraged by the 6. I think it's more loads and initial market response than exact numbers, but clearly, we'll move forward. And with the start of London, for every airline with global ambitions flying into Heathrow is a very important milestone.
Next question is from the line of Pulkit Patni from Goldman Sachs.
I've got a couple of them. The first is there are 2 thought processes. One is, okay, let me add capacity because I have the benefit of fleet availability being the largest player having access to fleet. So, let me add fleet and passengers will follow? And the second is because you have access to data way better than us, are you seeing the passenger traffic growth all sort of picking up? And my question comes because at least based on what we are tracking the growth is still sort of subpar relative to what we've seen. So, I just wanted to get your thoughts on what's driving this optimistic capacity addition? Is it saying we want to just go and capture market right now and then traffic will follow or we are actually seeing traffic demand or bookings being so strong? That's question number one, sir.
Management, can you hear us?
Yes, we can hear you.
Okay. I'll repeat my question. So, my question is your capacity addition guidance, which is very optimistic. Is it based on some data and foresight because when we look at hindsight and the data that we have seen, the classic trends are not as encouraging? So just wanted to know your thoug ht process on that?
Yes. So I think that's the part of the question, which we got. We started to build our strategy as part of the India growth story. And there's a couple of metrics which are there. One is that what's the GDP growth and how do we see the GDP growth for India going forward and what's correlation between GDP growth on the one hand side and growth of passengers on the other hand side. So that is I would say, a global metric where in a market which is still growing a lot, there's a certain ratio between GDP growth and passenger growth. And whether that is 1.5 or whether that is 2, there's a relation between the GDP and market growth. That's one. The second element is India is still largely underserved looking at the number of planes, looking at the seats per capita, looking at the international seats. India, it's not only the largest population in the world, but also the largest diaspora in the world. So if we take these factors, we actually have next to the GDP metric, we have the population and the young population and the growing middle class. And with that, the seats per capita, which when you compare it to not only mature markets like the U.S. or Europe, but even markets like China or Indonesia, there are still significant growth opportunities going forward. So that's two. So those 2 drivers are driving our long-term capacity growth, and we're fueling our decisions which we took to order the 500 planes and to have today world's largest order book in terms of fleet going forward. Then naturally, quarter-over-quarter, we see some fluctuations. And let me just refresh the memory. Q4 of last year with the Mahakumbh was a phenomenal quarter in terms of passenger growth overall, and everyone was like, are we going to have this for the next couple of quarters? Are we going to have this growth? Then Q1 following Q4 was a quarter with a couple of very sad external events, external sort of when it comes to IndiGo. But we had the Pahalgam, then we had the Operation Sindoor. And then, of course, we had the tragic AI171, which dampened the situation in Q1. And in Q2, it was a combination of recovery on the one hand side, and the Delhi Airport restrictions on the other hand side. So, we take a holistic look on that capacity. We are confirming our capacity guidance for the year basis all these different dynamics with the growth in the first half. Clearly, we are stepping up our growth efforts in the second half because we believe that in the long run, this capacity will be needed to fuel this. Whether that is exactly the same demand for Q3 and Q4, we are confident that these markets will be there and both the combination of domestic and international. So going back to the GDP and the overall projections and looking what happened in H1, we see t hat more as a consequence of some events which happened rather than a structural change in the market demand. You will see whatever the 2 new airports are opening in Navi Mumbai and Jaipur, you get a totally different landscape again. So, we keep an eye on the long -term trends. And with that, we're comfortable with the capacity which we have added in Q3 and later on Q4.
No, we need to see what exactly it means. I should also, I guess, draw some lessons what happened on a global basis. I think we have done operationally well, but clearly, the market and looking at the overall market, these are quite challenging sort of per formances here and there. So, we should make sure that we find a good balance in that. So, we will be looking at what does it exactly mean, what are the exact consequences of it. But clearly, if we have kind of free cancellations in such time frame, there's going to be some consequences to that, and that will share and not per say for us only. It's going to be for everyone. And with that, we should look at how do we build up a sustainable aviation ecosystem in the country. And I think that is a very important part. So, it's perhaps a bit premature to precisely react on that. But more generically, I think all policies and efforts should strike a right balance between what's good for the customer and how to, at the same time, maintain our vision and our strategy to build up an aviation ecosystem in India, which can stand the test of time, and which can continue to deliver on its growth promise.
Next question is from line of Aditya Mongia from Kotak Securities.
Congratulations on a very strong set of results. I'll go ahead with my first question. This one is on the BluChip program where the company has made good trades. You're at today 7 million kind of count. When do you start seeing the real monetization happening from BluChip perspective at what kind of...
I'm sorry to interrupt you, your voice is breaking.
Is it any better right now? I'll join into the queue again.
No, it's still breaking.
Let me join back in the queue. That will be better. Sure.
Next question is from the line of Jinesh Joshi from PL Capital.
I just wanted to check with respect to the MRO remarks that we made in the opening statement. I mean currently, are we fully outsourcing the MRO work? And with this new captive unit that is expected to come up in Bangalore, what kind of savings can we expect?
So, I couldn't hear the question properly. I don't want to guess what the answer is.
Am I audible now?
Yes.
In summary, large part, I would say 90% - 95% of our activities are outsourced, meaning we send it to third-party MROs, whether domestic or international. The large part is going to international. Some is going to domestic also because we've got 3 domestic MROs also. If I got your question right, the captive MRO that we are building is going to come up in the next 3 to 4 years. So that's what the time frame that we are looking at. And it's going to offset some of these aircrafts and the aircraft that we are sending outside to third- party MROs to be then serviced within the captive MRO, which we are building within India.
I think it's an enormous strategic opportunity for us. What we see in other parts of the world, there's a shortage of labour, there's a shortage of parts and there's a shortage of pretty much everything. And that is driving up lead times. It's driving up cost and it is sort of not helping us in the operational performance. By bringing this work into India, we serve a lot of different objectives at the very same time. First, it will help us to reduce the cost by bringing it into India with a lower cost base. Secondly, we're building up capabilities in a country and company where we don't have a shortage of skilled people. On the contrary, we have a lot of very well skilled and very well trained and capable workers when it comes to this part. Three, we're building up an Indian aviation ecosystem, which will allow us to also be better when it comes to seasonality, when it comes to developing certain repair capabilities. And that, in the long run, should give us not only cost advantage, but even an operational advantage. So, I think it's a very strategic step for us. It will take a few years before it's fully operational, but given the growth we're having, given the objective to double by the end of the decade. By that time, we should have 600-plus aircraft in operation slightly even more. And on that number to have our own large MRO facilities, I think it's not only a great opportunity, but it is a necessity when it comes to delivering and continue to keep our cost leadership to continue to be a leader in terms of utilization and continue to develop capabilities in India itself rather than bringing everything outside the geographical shores in India.
Sure, sure. Sir, one last question from my side. I think we also mentioned in the opening remarks that for every rupee depreciation, the MTM FX impact is approximately INR900 crores. But I guess in the past, this number was slightly lower at about INR700 crores to INR800 crores. Now I do understand that if more aircrafts get added, the FX liability will increase and consequently, the loss impact will also be there if the rupee depreciates. But if I look at 3Q of FY '25 where we saw a material FX loss come through because of rupee depreciation. Our aircraft count in that quarter was 436 and currently, we are slightly lower than that number. But our MTM impact has widened. So if you can just, please clarify on this part?
What you saw in the earlier period, and you're trying to translate this in terms of number of aircrafts. The mix of the aircrafts has also changed. So the mix has gone from operating lease liabilities, finance lease liability. With the finance lease liabilities per aircraft is going to be higher than what you will have for an operating lease liability. So as a result, you'll not be able to correlate this on a number of aircraft basis, but you'll have to look at the mix also. The finance lease liability is higher than the operating lease liability. Hence, the mark-to-market has increased.
Ladies and gentlemen, that will be our last question for today. I would now like to hand the conference to Mr. Pieter Elbers for closing comments.
Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us in this call, and we're actually happy that we have delivered a solid 10% growth in top line revenues and turned into an operational profit of INR104 crores compared to an operational loss last year without the currency impact. As India's aviation sector continues to grow and mature, we understand how critical it is to structurally align capacity during seasonally weaker periods to maintain profitability. Beyond the financials, this quarter was also strong operationally. IndiGo continues to lead the on -time performance chart, and we have seen great customer appreciation, and we have expanded our network meaningfully. Now while the year started with some significant external challenges across the industry, we saw things stabilize in July and recovery through August and September. Looking ahead, we have scaled up our operational plans for the second half to meet the rob ust demand and keep driving growth. And with that momentum, we have notched up our capacity guidance for the full financial year 2026. We are expecting slight upward revision to our earlier guidance of early double digits growth. Ladies and gentlemen, once again, thank you for joining and looking forward to talking to you next quarter. And for now, thank you.
Thank you very much. On behalf of IndiGo, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.
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