Thank you so much, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin with the question-and-answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Prisha Shah with Shah Family Office. Please go it.
FY2027 Q1
Hello sir, good evening. So , sir, I have a couple of questions, you know, starting with the expansion and the capital raised for the same. So, how are you right now prioritizing the allocation across the capacity expansion, working capital, the LFP recycling that you mentioned and also the downstream integration? Could you please, you know, help us provide some color?
Can you ask one by one of your question because in your one question there is a lot of questions inside. So, if you, could you please one by one so for me is very easy to listen you and reply on the same.
Okay, No problem, sir. So, my first question was on the capital raised for expansion. So, you know, I just wanted to know how you are allocating the capital raised between the capital expansion, working capital.
So we have enough capital in our books from our internal accruals from the so many years what we are earning. So, we deploy the same for our expansion, for land acquisition, for the machinery and other things. And the allocation your next question was about how you can allocate these funds? Right? So, whenever we require any funds be it in the company or subsidiary, Nupur Recycler put the money on its shareholding and we use it in spending on machinery as well as the working capital.
Okay, sir. Understood. So, my next question is in over the next 3 to 5 years, how do you see growth being distributed, in value-added products growth, capacity expansion, how is it?
Okay, sir. Understood. Sir, just one more question. So, as Nupur expands across the recycling and the downstream processing which you have, so after this, how do you see the business mix margin profile in the next three to four years?
So, margin is the same. See, for the trading business, we are doing business on a margin of 2 % to 3%. If we go for the forward integration, smelting and others, again 2 % to 3% and if you go for the machinery and for the OEM business, again 2% to 3%. So, mostly our business is about from 7% to 10% of the margin.
Okay, sir. Thank you so much. That was really helpful from my end.
Great. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Bhavya Aggarwal with Share India. Please go ahead.
Hello sir. Thank you for giving me this opportunity. Sir, I have a couple of questions. My first question being that, sir, how much is the Nupur Extrusion’s current capacity or utilization? And in the next two three years what is the managements plan for capacity expansion?
So, Nupur Extrusion, plant, is in Sa mpla, Haryana with a 2 acres of land and about 40,000 of square feet area is covered. So, here we are running, we are running a 5 -inch press right now with a capacity of 200 tons per month of extrusion we are producing. We already ordered one more Chinese automatic machine which is 4 inches machine. So, it should be in for the next two or three quarters or maybe this financial year end. We will go by about 350 tons per month. This is the final capacity of this Nupur Extrusion plant.
Okay, sir. Understood. So, my next question is, sir, Sampla zinc ingot facility’s commissioning.
Can you speak a little louder?
Sir, what is the expected timeline for Sampla zinc ingot facility commissioning ? What will be to total capacity?
So, sir, regarding Sampla plant, already the land is purchased in which construction is in progress. And in the next two to three months it will be ready for manufacturing. So, we are coming with Sa mpla plant in Nupur Recyclers and its capacity for this for zinc ingot is about 200 metric ton per month and about 200 metric ton of aluminum production in EDC -12. And mostly this is for the lithium extraction from the LFP batteries. So, the plant will be used for LFP battery recycling.
Yes sir my next question was focused on this itself. How is the management looking at LFP battery recycling opportunity? And what is Nupur business growth strategy for the next two to three, four years? And what scale is it expecting to target?
So, sir, many people are recycling LFP and NMC batteries. But we are coming with the hydro and pyro both of recycling. So, within LFP battery viewpoint of management is that we can scale up the plant we are currently setting up , which has a capacity of 6,000 metric tons, or 500 tons
per month in the future. Since many players are not yet recycling LFP batteries, we are leveraging the first-mover advantage, and maybe we will get more profits from this business.
Okay, okay. Thank you, sir. That's all from my side. Thank you.
Great, great, great. Welcome.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the li ne of Kaushal Sharma with Equino x Capital Venture Private Limited. Please go ahead.
Hi sir. Very good evening. Am I audible?
Yes, yes, Kaushal, welcome.
Yes, heartiest congratulations for good set of numbers, sir. Sir, my question concerns your overall recycling segment, covering materials like zinc, aluminum, and stainless steel, and now your foray into lithium -ion. I would like to understand what the EBITDA margin per ton is across this segment?
Sir, if I say that if I do back -to-back trading in Nupur Recycler, it's about 2 % to 3% of the purchase price, right?
Okay.
If we go, if we go to manufacture EDC -12, Zamak 3, Zamak 5, secondary zinc alloy ingot for zinc oxide and for other products, then again we are 2% to 3% and if we go for aluminum billets from scrap, one is the import of scrap, then sorting of scrap, then alloying of scrap, then making a billet and then again from billet to extrude, it's again 2 % to 3%. So, we can say that for every INR100 of business generated, we earn a profit of around INR7 to INR10.
Okay. So, in terms of tonnage , if you could share the EBITDA generated per ton for zinc, aluminum, and the lithium-ion business you are currently starting in absolute terms?
Sir, it is difficult to say anything definitive about lithium right now, but it's a marginable business, it's a good business because many people are not doing it, there is first mover advantage. But still, I am not able to comment on it that how much marg in will come per ton, but should be around 10% minimum because we can carry a EPR also in it.
And sir, regarding the LFP plant we are setting up how many acres of land does it cover, and what is the current capex involved? You mentioned that it is set to start operations in two to three months; so, what is the total Capex for this project, and what is the scope for future expansion on this specific plot of land where work is currently underway?
And how much can the capacity be expanded beyond 6,000 tons, given that the current plant is rated for 6,000 tons?
Sir, now it is a plant of 6,000 tons. We are trying to buy other land also near to this. Maybe we can go about to 10,000 tons, but still we will work on only 6,000 tons. After 1 year and 1 and a half year, if the results are good, then we can go for further.
And Sir, there are also some long -term liabilities of INR24 crore on your balance sheet; what was the purpose of incurring them, and how do we plan to repay them going forward?
Long-term liability for INR24 crores?
Yes.
In which company? It's a consol or it's on standalone?
It is in consolidated balance sheet. Long-term borrowings is around INR24.14 crores.
That's long-term borrowing when we invested in Tyco Auto Tech in INR24 crore. So, on that time, we took some loan from Tata Capital, I think. That was that is the same.
So, what is the timeframe for this, Sir? By when does the money need to be paid, and at what interest rate have we borrowed it?
Sorry?
By when do we have to repay this, and at what interest rate did we borrow this money?
So, I think it's about 9% - 10% and we have a long-term loan of about 5 to 6 years because we are owning as a Nupur Recycler 51%. So, we don't want to put large amount from the Nupur Recycler, that's why we took a loan from Tata Capital.
And sir, in the recycling business, sourcing is critical, and hedging presents the biggest challenge, especially with aluminum. So, how do you hedge your prices , whether for zinc, aluminum, or other materials?
Sir, we are in this business from the last 3 decades, right? So, we have a good experience for importing the material from everywhere. And the second thing is in my past experience, we never hedge the US dollar, Euro and pound and never hedged on the LME. So, we buy and sell and we carry our stock in our yards. So, always, we only buy and sell.
And in future , we will remain like this too, first of all we will use aluminum , zinc and all the recycling commodities.
And sir, how does working capital move in this entire business , like receivable, inventory and payable days? On sustainable basis if you want to explain?
So, sir, mostly, because we are registered as a MSME, so everyone should have to pay us at 45 days, right? And there is a lot of money in stocks. Because when you are producing the material and sending to their own subsidiaries, importing and scrap sorting and manufacturing, alloying and everything, so business requires money, sir.
So, how much inventory…
Sorry to interrupt you sir. But Kaushal, please rejoin the queue from the question.
Sir, all the question are on this working capital.
Sir, you may please rejoin. We have a lot of participant sir, please rejoin. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Darshil Jhaveri of Crown Capital. Please go ahead.
Hello. Good evening sir. Thank you so much for taking my question, sir. Firstly congratulations on a great set of results, sir. Sir, I had to know that our revenue growth in this quarter was very good. So can we do sustainable growth about this number ? Is this INR 80 crore that we have done is sustainable every quarter-on-quarter for the entire year?
You're very much right. This quarter has come, next quarter will be more improved and over next quarter we are trying to improve more.
Okay, sir. Every quarter there will be some improvement.
Yes. Because of our all the facilities are running now very well. These are all 2, 3, 2.5 years old facility who have had the opportunity to work. So we have installed many plant and machineries. So we are trying our best to do more and more revenue from the scrap trading, from manufacturing works and other OEMs products and machinery products.
Okay. That's really great to hear sir. So sir, just want to know that s ir, what do you think about our revenue and PAT this year and next year?
Sir, it is projected and I believe I don't think I will be able to tell you the numbers like this, but…
Rough range will also do, sir, whatever you can say?
Sir, statement, I think as a promoter, I will not be able to tell.
Okay.
Okay. That's really great to know, sir. Sir, I think we have got the best PAT margin in our history. So, I think this is not a one -off, right? Like, if we are getting 10% roughly PAT, then it is sustainable.
What we are doing is about, you know, 7% to 10%. As I told earlier, also the others, this metal scrap business is a volatile business, right? So, maybe sometimes a little bit. Definitely, we say the whole year is good. I mean, always it will go good.
Okay, okay. Fair enough. So, just last question from my end. Right now, how much is the total expense for capacity in capex. I think lithium plant has INR50 crore, INR70 crore, but is there any more plan for this coming two years…
Sir, we are looking more plants, whatever the plant come from, INR50 crore to INR150 crore. We are looking from the NCLT also. But on the same range, we are looking to acquire some lead recycling unit also. So, expand more, not internationally, but in India.
Okay, sir how are we funding – is there any plan to take debt or any internal accrual…
So, we don't have any debt on Nupur Group. Event if it is there is it too small. We have the funds in our system. If in any future we acquire something for INR100 crore, so, then we go to raise the money. Otherwise, from our internal accruals and profits, we will carry the same and acquire from our own funds.
Okay, thanks. That's it from my side. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Bhavika Singhvi with Niveshaay. Please go ahead.
So, thank you for the opportunity, sir. So, I want to understand on the capex, which are planning on the battery recycling, where we are expecting the procurement of the batteries and after once we recycle all the components out of it, do we have any long -term tie-ups with our customers for the supply of those components? And also, I want to understand that how we are planning to hedge ourselves against the prices going forward once the plant will be operational.
So, your first question is from where we acquire the batteries, right?
Yes. Sourcing of batteries?
So, as you know that we are in the business of import. So, overseas also, there are a lot of stock still for people to sell for the lithium ion batteries, electric batteries. Okay. So, this is the one point because we are in the import business and we know each and everything for the import. And the second one is a lot of the new companies are coming to manufacture LFP batteries like Tata, Exide and other batteries company. So, when they produce the batteries, it's about 10% to 15% is the rejection coming from the new batteries. Okay. So, we can buy from them also as well as we can buy from the source of import as well as of the local from the domestic market.
So I think for this year, I think is 1,27,000 tons of batteries coming and we are only installing 6,000 tons of battery plant here.
On the client side, do we have any contract in hand or to supply the once the battery is recycle like how we expect to like sold components which we get out of the recycled one?
So first we must know about what is coming from the recycling of the electric battery right? So first point is aluminum, it’s about 10% to 12% aluminum coming from the electric battery after recycling. So it’s used in our extraction plant in house consumptions and for the second thing is the copper we extract, this one also, we use for our EDC -12 manufacturing as well as we can make a copper ingot and sell it in the market. Third one is we extract lithium, we can sell in the market. For the manufacturer who are using lithium for industrial grade. We are not extracting battery grade right now, but our team is working on it. We sell these lithium to the manufacturer who are doing industrial grade and other items. Again, iron phosphate we extract from it as well as we extract graphite. So we are exploring the market once the plant will start then we can tie up others from both the side from the buyer side as well as the sales side.
Got it, sir. And sir, the last one on the hedging side, as like as we know that we already have the aluminum extrusion plant. So, I want to understand that how we hedge ourselves against the raw material cost because when we look at the market , secondary aluminum is not a listed on any website. but whereas there are other players in the mark industry which are hesitating to enter into aluminum market because there is no hedging availability possible for them. So, how we hedge ourselves against the fluctuation in the primary aluminum prices?
So, we are not using more primary aluminum. We are using imported scrap like extrusion like tin table, some of wire aluminum. So, these item we are using and a small 5 % to 10% of the primary aluminum ingots, right? Again we are not hedge anything. We always depend on our stock as well as of back-to-back buying or selling.
Okay. So, how the prices of secondary aluminum is defined in the market if you can explain me that because I'm not...
So, it's based on LME. It's based on London metal exchange LME. Whatever the opening of closing of the LME and aluminum. So in domestic market the price is settled like on the demand- supply as well as of the LME indicates.
So, there is a lag or it's direct link to the aluminum prices? The primary one.
Sorry?
So, it's always on the spot basis because we are selling today. We never sell on three months basis or two months basis. We always sell and purchase on today prices.
Okay. Got it. Okay, thank you so much.
Great.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Radhika Dabholkar with Aikyam Capital. Please go it.
Thank you again for the opportunity first of all . I wanted to ask that the inventory days had increased. Our inventory days increased during March ‘25 and then we were able to reduce it a bit in March ‘26. But do you have any plans on how to further reduce it? Have you thought about that?
Yes, we are trying our best to reduce the inventory but because we are gaming on this inventory importing. So, sometimes what happened is the shipping time , if from Europe you say it's 20 days for the ship from Hamburg to Mundra. And sometimes it takes more time. So, that's why we need 45 to 60 days of inventory in our system. So, the plant should run and we can supply our ingots, extrusions to our OEMs and our buyers. We are trying because we also know that there is a huge cost involved in the inventories as well as the risk is also because we are not hedge anything. So, we try our best to reduce, I think the in last two, three months we reduced some inventory but again due to war we have to again increase our inventory and that's the reason for it.
Got it, sir. Thank you, sir.
Great.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kapil Ahuja with Equinox Capital Venture Private Limited. Please go ahead.
Hi, sir. This is Kapil Ahuja. Congratulations for good results.
Hello, Kapil.
I wanted to ask regarding this battery . You will be taking black mass from outside also or the black mass that you crushed, the battery that you crushed will be sufficient for black mass and then further processing into hydrometallurgy?
So I think once we start our operation in our unit in Sapla, I think we have sufficient black mass we produce from the LFP battery. If there is a requirement to buy from the domestic, we can definitely buy from the domestic market. But still there is no plan to buy from the domestic market of black mass.
We only separate aluminium, copper and black mass from the LFP battery and then use a hydrometallurgy we can extract the lithium, iron phosphate, graphite and other difficult minerals from it.
Right. And is your plant fungible? You can use procure NMC batteries also because the older vehicles...
No, we don't. NMC batteries we don't require to explore more because we don't want to sell this black mass. We want to be the full oper ation of the LFP battery. So we use that technology to extract lithium, iron phosphate, graphite.
Right, sir. What will be the capacity for hydrometallurgy.
So it's 6,000 tons per month. We have 500 tons per month capacity that we have installed, 6,000 tons per annum but we can increase it also. It's a continuous process in the hydrometallurgy.
And the realization for one ton will be approximately?
So it depends on the prices of lithium. If you know about two years back, the lithium prices was about INR7,500 7500 per kg and was the eight months back or nine months back it is INR700 per kg. Now still we heard about this INR2,300 per kg is lithium prices. So it all depends on the market situation. Sometimes battery is coming at INR50, sometime battery is coming off INR150, so it's a demand supply and, you know, the prices of aluminium, copper and the other critical metal.
And sir, you just answered regarding the import of the batteries. As far as I know, the import is strictly restricted, but it's not banned, but it's strictly restricted because...
So, we as Nupur Recyclers are planning to go to MOEF and the Central Pollution Control Board. So, it's not restricted, but if you have the license to import then you can import. There is no such restriction for the importing of battery stack.
Right, sir. And my last question will be in FY27, how much top line can we do approximately from the battery business? After accepting the market…
So, sir, we are stepping on the end of August. You know, we have about 7 months in this financial year, right? So, I think the plant will start in 2 months to 3 months or maybe 3 months to 4 months because the construction is going on. So, hopefully, I'm n ot saying too much, but maybe the last quarter it should be better and we are trying our best to start the facility and the extraction of lithium and other products. But I'm not saying anything about the numbers on what we will do because we are just starting phase.
And sir, my last question would be, in Delhi…
Okay. Kapil, I’m sorry to interrupt you…
Sir, I’m sorry. Yes. You may please rejoin. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Shreyansh Jain with IIFL Capital Asset Management Limited. Please go it.
Hi, sir. Thank you for the opportunity. Just a follow -up question, you mention that you’re not engaging into long term contract with any of our customer, right? Like, we trade on daily basis according to LME price, am I right?
From the buyer side, or the seller side?
From our side, like if we are having any deals with anyone suited on spot bases and there is no long term contracts with any of our customers.
Of our customer, so if I say about a Tycod, so we are selling to Tata Motors, right?
Right.
So, we are selling about 43 single source for the Tata Motors Pune a small tempo for about 2 tons loading capacity. So, we have a long terms contract with them so for every OEM we have the long term contracts from the selling side. But for the scrap trading and for the other products we don’t have any long term contract because everyone is open buy or sell, because the market is volatile, so sometimes people want to buy, sometimes people do not want to buy.
All right. And how much percentage it would be OEM sales as percentage of revenue?
So, it was about 22%, I think.
Okay, sir. Thank you.
Great.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chaitanya Satve from Incred PCG. Please go ahead.
Hi, good evening, sir.
Good evening.
Yes, so some questions. So, sir, you’re this quarter your EBITDA has increase by more than 50%, and your EBITDA margin has also improved. So, what is main reason behind it and will it be sustainable in FY27 as well?
Yes sir, we will see it. We are doing our best to increase our business revenue top line bottom line. So, the main reason is that we increased our capacity , and the second reason is the prices of the metal scrap as well as of the finished products increased by 10% to 25%. That is also one of the reasons that the top line and bottom line is increased from the part. And as well as we are, you know, forward integration from scrap to smelting, sorting and billet making as well as of extrusion as well as in Tycord we have a large facility, beautiful facility for
VMC machine, CNC machine as well as die casting machine. So that's why every company is now growing.
Okay sir, okay, understood. Sir, in your Q1 F Y27, the gross margin has 11.3% to 20.3%. So, what the main reason, and will we this growth in the margin.
Yes, sir. The scrap and metal scrap market is inherently volatile. Going forward, margins may fluctuate within a range and could be around 10%–25%. However, we do not expect the margins to fall back to the earlier levels of around 10%–12%. In a volatile market, a fluctuation of around 1%–2%, either upward or downward, can be expected. However, from a long-term perspective, we expect the margins to improve and do not foresee any significant decline, as the Company is currently operating at its full capacity.
Okay, okay. Thank you, sir. That's all.
Great, great, great.
We take then a follow up question from Shreyansh Jain with IIFL Capital. Please go ahead.
Sorry sir, I just missed a point in my question. Actually, the OEMs sell is 20% of our business roughly, how we manage the pricing because in case of large OEMs like Tata Motor, we would need to fix the pricing. For example, if we are in three-month contract, we need to fix some pricing. But if there is ups or down, so we bear the differential or you make an agreement with parts and what is the condition there?
Regarding metal prices specifically aluminum the parts we supply to Tata Motors are made from aluminum alloys, specifically EDC-12 and EDC-6 grades. Tata Motors publishes price data on its 'MMR' website; previously, they used to provide a quarterly average price. However, over the last three months, due to rising aluminum prices, Tata Motors now announces prices on a monthly basis. All the costing is now worked out based on those prices, and the corresponding bills are raised later. Once a particular price is fixed, the material continues to be supplied at that price.
So, sir, basically, at the start of the contract, we decide on a price at which the billing is done. But if, during that one-month period, the price of the scrap or raw material that we are procuring increases, then we bear that increase because there is no hedging mechanism. Am I right?
No, no, it happens like this, sir. For example, let me tell you about Tata Motors. Earlier, the price of EDC was INR220. Then it went up to INR245, after that INR310, then INR328, and then INR340, and eventually INR372. The last billing we did was based on INR372. But as of today, the price is around INR317. So, accordingly, there is continuous buying and selling happening at our end as well. Tata Motors currently has monthly prices, and based on those prices, the machining cost, casting cost, inventory cost, and our 8 %–10% profit margin are all added, and then the final billing is done to them.
Understood. Okay, sir. Thank you.
Great.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Radhika Dabholkar with Aikyam Capital. Please go ahead.
Thank you again for the opportunity, sir. I would have one more question. So, my question would be what are the major challenges you are currently facing according to you on the company level and how do you plan to overcome them in the next two years to three years? Like in the what would be the time frame in which you would expect to overcome them?
So, ma'am, we are doing our business. We face the normal, day -to-day challenges that come with running a business. But as of now, there is no such major challenge that would cause the company to suffer. They are just the regular day-to-day challenges of the business, nothing more. Our purchases are diversified. In terms of geopolitical issues, we already have a system in place where we buy from different countries. So, if we anticipate any such issue, we either stop buying from that particular country or reduce our purchases from there, and we try to source from other countries.
Okay, sir. Got it. Thank you.
Great. Thank you.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for today. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Rajesh Gupta from Nupur Recycler Limited for closing comments. Thank you and over to you, sir.
So, thank you everyone for taking the time to join us on the call today and for your thoughtful questions. Should you have any further questions or need any additional clarifications, please feel free to reach out to our investor relations advisor Adfactor s PR. Thank you very much and have a nice evening everyone.
Thank you so much sir. Ladies and gentlemen on behalf of Nupur Recycler Limited and Adfactos PR, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us and now you may disconnect your lines. This is a transcript and may contain transcription errors. The Company or the sender takes no responsibility for such errors, although an effort has been made to ensure high level of accuracy