Petronet LNG Limited

FY2027 Q1

2026-08-13 Transcript PDF
Moderator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Petronet LNG Limited Q1 FY27 Earnings Conference Call hosted by Dolat Capital Market Private Limited. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in listen-only mode and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during this conference call, please signal the operator by pressing star then zero on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand over the conference to Mr. Yogesh Patil from Dolat Capital. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Yogesh Patil

Thank you, Pari, and good day to everyone. It's my pleasure to welcome all the participants on this call as well as the Pet ronet LNG senior management for the First Quarter FY27 Results Conference Call. With us, we have Mr. Saurav Mitra, Director Finance and CFO; Mr. Rakesh Chawla, Executive Director, Finance and Accounts; Mr. Gyanendra Kumar Sharma, GGM and President, Marketing; Mr. Vivek Mittal, GGM and President , Marketing; Mr. Debabrata Satpathy CGM and Vice President, Finance and Accounts; Mr. Vikash Maheswari , General Manager, Finance & Accounts. I request Mr. Saurav Mitra to deliver his opening remarks. Over to you, sir.

Saurav Mitra

At the outset, let me briefly take you through our financial and operating performance for the first quarter of financial year '26 and '27. Overall, I would say it has been a strong start to the year, while volumes were somewhat lower, we have delivered a healthy financial performance supported by commercial and operational efficiencies. On a stand-alone basis, profit before tax stood at INR 1,514 crores compared to INR 1,136 crores in the corresponding quarter registering a growth of 33%. Profit after tax was INR 1,133 crores, again a growth of 33% compared to INR 851 crores in the corresponding quarter. On a consolidated basis too, the performance has been quite encouraging. We reported a PBT of INR 1,491 crores and PAT of INR 1,137 crores, our highest ever PBT and PAT for any first quarter. Coming to the operational performance, Dahej, our flagship terminal, processed 192 TBTU of LNG during the quarter compared to 207 TBTU in the corresponding quarter last year and 201 TBTU in the previous quarter. At the company level, the overall LNG volume processed was 207 TBTU compared to 220 TBTU in the corresponding quarter and 219 TBTU in the previous quarter. As far as capacity utilization is concerned, there is an important point to keep in perspective. For the current quarter, the nameplate capacity of Dahej increased from 17.5 MMTPA to 22.5 MMTPA. So the utilization numbers now reflect a significantly larger capacity base. On this expanded capacity, Dahej utilization stood at 66% compared to 92% in the corresponding quarter and 90% in the previous quarter. Overall company capacity utilization in the current quarter was 58% compared to 76% in both the corresponding and previous quarters. So if I were to sum up the quarter, the key takeaways for us is the resilience of the business. Despite lower volumes, we have achieved 33% year-on-year growth in both standalone PBT and

PAT. This reflects our continued focus on commercial and operational efficiency and our ability to deliver a strong financial performance across different market conditions. We remain focused on carrying this momentum forward as we progress through the year. With that, I will conclude my opening remarks. We'll now be happy to take your questions.

Moderator

Thank you very much. We will now begin with the question-and -answer session. The first question is from the line of Probal Sen from ICICI Securities. Please proceed with your question.

ICICI Securities

Thank you and very good evening, sir. Sir, a couple of questions. Firstly, what you mentioned about the financial performance being strong despite lower volumes. What has also been interesting is that the mix of volumes has changed quite dramatically with term volumes declining very sharply and third -party regas volumes making the difference. Just wanted to understand, has that same pattern been seen in Q2 so far as well? And should we basically assume that this will be the mix moving forward at least till the Gulf conflict is resolved in any shape or manner? That was my first question.

Saurav Mitra

Okay. So yes, the pattern and trend continues as it was in the Q1 of this financial year till so far. However, we expect the issues at the Gulf to resolve soon and the volumes from our long-term contract with Qatar should start immediately or as soon as po ssible. That's our, you know, topmost in the wish list.

ICICI Securities

Got it, sir. The second question was, sir, with respect to apparent margins, you know, in terms of, you know, how we have performed despite lower volumes. Just wanted to understand where the margin improvement has come from, whether there is any inventory gain impact for the quarter and, you know, or is it basically that marketing margins on even the small amount of spot volumes that we did have actually helped offset the lower volumes? Just your thoughts on that.

Debabrata Satpathy

Okay. Prabal, you have actually answered both the points. There is trading gains and also there is inventory gain. Inventory gains are at INR193 crores and trading gains are at INR301 crores. So that's exactly because of the higher margin and also higher inventory valuation.

ICICI Securities

But sir, will some of that then normalize in Q2? Is that a fair way to look at it, that this amount of this kind of margin trend may not sustain for the rest of the year?

Debabrata Satpathy

You see, to answer to your question, whenever , the trend has been that whenever there is a disparity between the long-term and the spot prices, the spot prices are too high and there is a big gap between the long-term prices and the spot prices and there is a overall throughput goes down because of that. Then what happens is these trading margins kick in because the spot prices being high, we have some opportunities in the market to gain from the, I mean, from the spot trading. So this can be considered, looking at the last five, six years trend, this can be considered as the business model of the company.

Saurav Mitra

Okay. So I'll first start with the p etchem plant. The project is on schedule and so far as the connectivity with the pipeline with our Kochi terminal is concerned, as per the as far as the latest information that we have, it's still in the by the end of this quarter it should be mechanically completed. That is the best information that we have as on date.

ICICI Securities

Understood, sir. Thank you so much for your time. I will come back if I have more questions. All the best.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Simran Kumari from Nar nolia Financial Services. Please proceed with your question.

Nar nolia Financial Services

Hi, sir. Good evening. My question is related to capacity utilization. Can I get the separate capacity utilization for both Dahej as well as Kochi terminal for this quarter? And how would you expect this utilization to trend over the remainder of this fiscal? That's my first question.

Vivek Mittal

So the capacity utilization for Dahej was 65.6% but please do take note that this is for the expanded capacity which got expanded on 31st of March 2026. So, from 22.5 MMTPA , the capacity utilization is 65.6% and Kochi was 23.27%.

Nar nolia Financial Services

And how do you expect that trajectory for the remaining of this fiscal year?

Debabrata Satpathy

You see, all this will depend on the opening of the Strait of Hormuz. Right now, whatever capacity utilization has been told, same kind of trend is right now going on as we have told before. Once the Strait of Hormuz opens, then you see these Qatari volumes and the volumes from that region will be available in the market. So definitely the capacity and you can see from the volume numbers that currently also, even if that volume is not available from the Gulf region, still more than two -third of that is being compensated from other parts of the world. So once those volumes a re available, definitely the capacity utilization will improve quite a bit.

Vivek Mittal

And just to add on to what Debabrata mentioned, that actually in this quarter, the April was on the lower side, May, June things picked up. So we are actually running at the same rate at which May at which we were in May and June. So this means that the pr obably it should be better slightly.

Nar nolia Financial Services

Okay. Can we get the capex numbers for FY27 as well as FY28?

Debabrata Satpathy

Capex numbers so far it is...

Nar nolia Financial Services

No, no, not so far. For fiscal '27 and '28.

Debabrata Satpathy

Okay. FY27, the capex numbers are INR9,064 crores we have budgeted, projected. And similar kind of numbers should be for FY28 as well.

Debabrata Satpathy

Can you repeat the question?

Nar nolia Financial Services

Gross margin. What was the reason behind this significant improvement in the gross margin this quarter and how it will like sustain for the remainder of this fiscal?

Debabrata Satpathy

Okay. You see, that's wh at I had already answered to Pro bal's question. The gross margin improvement is because of the trading and inventory gain and in the coming time also if this such kind of situation in the market is there, where the spot prices are higher and higher than the long-term prices by quite a by quite a few distance, then this kind of trend could be there. And the mix, the volume mix that we are seeing right now, between the like the trading has gone down whereas our tolling volumes have gone up and more than two-third has been recovered from the tolling volumes only. So if this kind of trend is continued, then the gross margin will definitely show greater trading gain and inventory gain. Because that is last five years' trend we have seen in these kind of situations, that is the business model that kicks in.

Nar nolia Financial Services

Okay, sir. Thank you so much and all the best.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Nitin Tiwari from PhillipCapital. Please proceed with your question.

Phillip Capital

Hi, sir. Good evening. Thanks for the opportunity, sir. Sir, a couple of clarificatory questions. So in this quarter, like you know, the tolling cargoes were brought in to offset our long-term cargoes. And our arra ngement for basically the use or pay for the previous years has actually been that like you know, if excess cargoes come in, then it will be used for offsetting that use or pay. So this tolling cargo be treated as an offset for use or pay because this is in excess of what probably one would have expected? It's coming in lieu of the long-term contract. Is that the right understanding?

Vivek Mittal

Nitin, you are right partly because see, firstly we must understand it depends on who's bringing those long-term cargoes. So if GAIL is bringing, they had no use or pay. So then there is no question of offset against GAIL cargoes. But yes, for other offtakers, if they are bringing additional cargoes, there would be some offset.

Debabrata Satpathy

But to clarify that the order, order of, I mean importance is the current year's commitment, after that only they can offset.

Phillip Capital

So current year commitment would basically be considered, I mean, the higher number would only be considered after considering long-term plus tolling as current year commitment is what you're saying.

Phillip Capital

Right, sir. I mean, just like you know, just drilling down further on this. So basically these cargoes, we are ordering for tolling, right? Will that cargo be considered for offsetting use or pay, right? Long-term contract is not a part of that arrangement, right? So if.

Debabrata Satpathy

Yes, yes, your understanding is correct.

Rakesh Chawla

Long-term contract as far as the buy and sell is concerned, that is a separate contract where take or pay clause applies, not use or pay.

Phillip Capital

Okay. Okay. So in a way, is this the correct understanding that like you know, if this situation continues, then this this tolling cargo which is coming in can retire the use or pay much faster than possibly which would otherwise have been possible?

Vivek Mittal

Absolutely. Depending on the fact who had Use or Pay …. That's the only caveat I would add.

Phillip Capital

Understood, sir. And sir, second question is the bookkeeping one if you can give me the Ind AS impact for this quarter at gross margin, depreciation and other in other subheads.

Debabrata Satpathy

At gross margin level, positive is INR 14 crores and forex loss is INR 5 crores and other expenses level positive INR 8 crores, then depreciation INR 66 crores and finance cost INR 48 crores.

Phillip Capital

Understood, sir. Thanks so much, sir. I'll get back in the queue.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Mayank Maheshwari from Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Morgan Stanley

Hi, sir. Thank you for doing the call. The first question was related to Qatar LNG more on a more medium -term basis. What are you kind of hearing in terms of the supply cargoes? Obviously, it's a bit of a fluid situation, but considering the force majeure etcetera, how are you kind of thinking about sourcing these cargoes from elsewhere as well as what are you hearing from Qatar in general around when can they kind of think about delivering some of these volumes?

Vivek Mittal

So firstly I'll answer the second question. So we are in constant touch with Qatar Energy and they are also waiting for things to improve. Strait of Hormuz every day there is change of statement at geopolitical level. So nobody has an answer that when the Strait of Hormuz will open. But the moment it opens, Qatar is if you see certain media reports even of yesterday, that Qatar is started production, they are ramping up their production, the heat the measurement they are doing in term s of the heat around the plant. So that level is increasing, which means production is increasing. So that was a Bloomberg article yesterday. So as soon as the Strait of Hormuz is open, we are hopeful that we'll start taking volumes on FOB basis from Qatar. And Mayank, your second question was why are we not sourcing from alternate sources? So of course, as you have seen, if we buy and then sell it, there is certain taxation implications. So directly if offtakers or GAIL, IOCL, BPCL are importing, that becomes more advantageous and more sellable in the market. So we have to be competitive in the market. From that perspective, we have given the capacity to these capacity holders to bring more volumes. And FM declaration

from Qatar is on month -on-month basis. So basically every month depending on the situation they are declaring. So right now it's been declared for end of August.

Morgan Stanley

Okay. And the second question in terms of petrochemicals, what percentage of your capex has been spent on petrochemicals till now and in terms of completion on the physical side, how much has you been able to complete that?

Saurav Mitra

Okay. So, as I have told, we are on track with our petrochemical project. And as per the schedule, we have completed about 40%.

Morgan Stanley

And the capex spend would be roughly about what percentage of this?

Saurav Mitra

So the capex, see, there is always a difference between the capex spend and the physical progress. So financial progress is not exactly match with the physical progress. So that's why I have to give you a proper perspective of the physical progress of the project, I have given you the physical project number.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Kishan from DAM Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Kishan

Hi, sir. Thanks for taking my question. One question from my end, sir. So at Dahej, we had signed a contract with Deepak Fertilizers wherein they were expected to bring in additional cargoes, so have those start -- I think around 0.5 million ton per annum. So have those started? And similarly at Kochi, we were expecting to increase the ExxonMobil's volumes were expected to increase. So have those volumes also increased?

Saurav Mitra

Yes. Both contracts have actually started taking place and we have brought in volumes. Volumes have been brought in by both the parties under both these contracts.

Kishan

Okay. And for the quarter, can you can you quantify how much did Deepak Fertilizer bring in? Was it like 1 cargo, 2 cargoes or how much was it?

Vivek Mittal

Two cargoes. The contract commenced in May 2026. So, until date we have bought 2 cargoes.

Kishan

Okay. Understood. Also if I could ask one more question. Sir, any update on the tariff discussions that we've been having with our offtakers or the status quo remains?

Saurav Mitra

No, the status quo is there. There is no discussion on tariff revision.

Kishan

Okay. No discussion on tariff revision, but contract renewal, I mean, nothing is nothing has happened, right?

Kishan

Okay. So if you're saying that you're meeting regularly, so can we expect like the closure to happen in a quarter or 2 then?

Saurav Mitra

Yes, you can expect.

Kishan

That's great, sir. Okay. Thank you.

Saurav Mitra

We can expect it to happen in the next 2 to 3 quarters.

Kishan

2 to 3 quarters. That's great, sir. Thank you.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Bineet Banka from Nomura. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, sir. Thanks for the opportunity. Firstly on your new purchase contract with Qatar Energy, which is coming up from 2028. So I think the...

Vivek Mittal

Your voice is breaking. Sorry, we can't hear you.

The new Qatar Energy from 2028, it is based on DES basis rather than FOB earlier. So how does it impact the landed cost of the gas?

Vivek Mittal

It's a formula-driven price which includes the shipping cost. Of course, we cannot disclose the formula, but I'm not sure what you're looking at it in this question.

Moderator

Mr. Banka, we are not able to hear you. Can you please rejoin the queue?

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Vivekanand from Ambit Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Vivekanand

Yeah, 2 questions. Number 1 is on the capacity that you have freed up in Qatar because volumes are not coming. How much visibility do you have of the offtakers getting volumes and what is the logical utilization or volume that we should model for Dahej till the time this crisis continues as far as cargo processing goes? That is question one. And the second one is on the trading side. So, if you can explain this trading business and also the circumstances where you are profitable on your trading contracts and of course how to think about it incrementally, that'll be great? Thank you.

Vivek Mittal

So firstly let me answer on the visibility question. So as you would have seen, Indian gas demand and government has been working on it to make sure that all the sectors get gas in a equitable manner. So in context of that, we do see that if the Qatar FM continues, the replacement volumes will continue to flow in at our terminal. So we don't see any issue.

As we mentioned that FM is a force majeure is being declared on month -on-month basis. So I cannot say that offtakers are not tying up volume for September, October. They are again t ying up on month- on-month basis depending on the requirement and the replacement volumes whichever, whatever is required. On the trading part I think Debabrata..

Debabrata Satpathy

Yeah, on the trading part, as we had explained before, we create efficiencies in the system and due to that whenever there is a n opportunity, either we serve it on the spot basis from these efficiencies or whenever there is an opportunity, we bring a spot cargo and also cater to the customers' need without taking any, I mean, the volume or price risk. So in this case, as we had explained, that when there is -- the spot prices, say for example, very high and the long-term prices are at a different level and there is a low throughput from the terminal, at that point in time with a smaller number of -- smaller volume of spot trading also, we can protect the bottom line taking the advantage of the market. This is what is the ….. and this we have seen since last 5-6 years, this is a established business model now.

Vivekanand

Okay. Just a couple of follow -ups. So when Qatar is declaring a force majeure, now you said that, the status is that, till end of month they will not supply cargoes, right? So then you, let's say, by when do you find out that, okay, in September you won't get any cargoes from Qatar? And then what is the next step? Just if you can walk me through the process so I can understand better how you are able to then talk to your offtakers and then utilize some of the freed up capacity because Qatar is not sending you cargoes?

Vivek Mittal

So firstly we are in constant touch with Qatar Energy team. So on a regular basis we have conversations with them and typically they are declaring force majeure at least a week before end of the month.

Vivekanand

Okay. So it's that dynamic. You get to know a week before the next month starts that okay, you have free capacity. And just to drill further on the trading gains that you make, is that linked to the spare capacity that you currently have because Qatar is n ot supplying or is that the run rate that you have been mentioning? Is that independent of the spare capacity you have in Qatar or even otherwise?

Debabrata Satpathy

It's independent of that, Vivekanand, if you see the spot trading, it's only 6 TBTU. So for 6 TBTU or 10 TBTU of something like that of volume, we need not have a spare capacity. Even in the COVID, aftermath of COVID and during the Russian conflict also, whenever there is such situation in the market was there, with a very low volume, we could generate a higher trading gain. I hope that answers.

Vivekanand

Okay. Understood. Thank you very much and all the best.

Hardik Solanki

Good evening, sir. Thanks for the opportunity. So, what was the regasification revenue for the quarter and in absolute terms what is how much capex has been spent over petchem (Slightly Inaudible)?

Debabrata Satpathy

We could only hear your first question. The regasification revenue is INR1,214 crores. And rest of rest of the question we could not hear. Could you repeat?

Hardik Solanki

Yeah. So how much till date have we spent towards the capex?

Debabrata Satpathy

INR679 crores. -- are you asking about the capex?

Hardik Solanki

Petchem, Petchem.

Saurav Mitra

In June, or cumulative?

Hardik Solanki

Sir, for the quarter for petchem.

Debabrata Satpathy

Okay, for the quarter. Petchem for the quarter is INR 472 crores. INR 470 crores around.

Hardik Solanki

Thank you.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Bineet Banka from Nomura. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, sir. For this PP plant, has there any propane contract been signed already?

Vivek Mittal

Propane, see, propane is a readily available commodity. So, from that perspective, I think 2027 we'll enter to sign the contract. And we may have a mix of both. Go ahead.

So, the sourcing will basically be mostly coming from the Middle East, right? And Saudi CP Pricing?

Vivek Mittal

USA is also a major potential source, so we are exploring all the possible opportunities.

And for this project, sir, is there any equity IRR that you had given earlier? I think in 2023 the number was 30%. So, have you done any recalculation based on current pricing?

Debabrata Satpathy

Bineet, no, see, Bineet , as we had maintained before, we have still to do certain commercial contracts. I mean, couple of contracts we have already done like the 600 KTPA of ethane handling, and this one with this Deepak Phenolics. But then certain other commercial contracts we have to do. So, we have to keep these numbers, I mean closed to the public for the time being.

And sir, what will be the useful life of the plant? If I have to do the calculation for the profitability, what do you assume the useful life for the petchem plant?

And sir, another question on the shift of contract from FOB to DES. So, you already have four LNG carriers on lease. If you have a DES contract from Qatar, then what will be the use of the LNG carriers? Because I think they are there for 25 years' lease.

Vivek Mittal

So, the carriers, most of the carriers, once the SPA ends, the carrier also time charter comes to end. Except one.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of TK Nigam, an Individual Investor. Please proceed with your question.

Hello, sir. Good to talk to you. So, can you confirm if my understanding of the business model is correct? So as long as that force majeure continues, you have the liberty to trade gas at the spot prices, and if that force majeure goes aside and normal business steps in, then you can again start doing business at the contracted prices. Is my understanding correct?

Vivek Mittal

See, the contracted volumes, they come in and go to our off -takers on back-to-back basis. The trading business is independent of that. It depends on the market opportunity, the price at which we are buying cargoes, at which we are able to sell. And as Debabrata mentioned, out of operational efficiency, we do have some LNG available. So, we trade that also. So, it's a mix of all, but it is nothing to do with Qatar contract.

Okay. Got it. Thank you, sir.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Nitin Tiwari from PhillipCapital. Please proceed with your question.

Phillip Capital

Hi, sir. Thanks for the opportunity again. Sir, just wanted to understand what are our tariffs right now at Dahej and Kochi for the current quarter.

Vivek Mittal

So, Dahej is around INR69 and Kochi is around INR98.

Phillip Capital

Great, sir. And second is, sir, also wanted to understand that the vessels that we have on time charter basis. So, are we paying the charter rates or that's also under the ambit of force majeure and it's not payable? How does that work?

Vivek Mittal

Your understanding is correct. That falls under force majeure.

Phillip Capital

Okay, so we are not paying any….charter..

Saurav Mitra

I would like to clarify, that all the time charter vessels, we have suspended the operation as per not under any force majeure clause, but there are other clauses in the contract, other in the time charter agreements through which we have enabled the suspension.

Moderator

The next question is from the line of Jayesh Shah, an Individual Investor. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, thank you for the opportunity. Hope I am audible?

Saurav Mitra

No. Your voice is not clear.

Saurav Mitra

Yeah, slightly better. Not audible.

Moderator

Mr. Jayesh. We cannot hear you. The next question is from the line of TK Nigam, an individual investor. Please proceed with your question.

Hello, sir. Can you put some light on how much certainty or how much certain is the sourcing of alternate cargoes till the time this Middle East conflict continues?

Debabrata Satpathy

The s ourcing is actually being done under the tolling contracts, service contracts by our customers. And as per trend, whatever we are missing from the Middle East, actually more than two-third is being brought by these customers. So, we hope that this will this trend will continue. And we are seeing that this trend is continuing right now.

Okay, sir. That answers my question. Thank you, sir.

Moderator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question from the participant. I would now like to hand over the conference to management for their closing comments. Thank you and over to you, sir.

Saurav Mitra

Okay. Thank you so much for joining us once again, and we will continue to keep in touch through such initiatives. Thank you.

Management

Thank you, everyone.

Moderator

Thank you. On behalf of Dolat Capital Market Private Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.