Strides Pharma Science Limited

Quarter ended Jun 2026

2026-08-07 Transcript PDF
Moderator

Thank you. We will now begin the question -and-answer session. The first question comes

from the line of Manoj Gori with Equirus Capital. Please go ahead.

Equirus Capital

Thank you for the opportunity Sir, my question first on the RAC to revive margins in the Unitary Products segment and especially for room AC, one , we highlighted about the product rejig. Can you also highlight what would be the other thing that they would be and, in Q1, what was the impact of this deferred cost? Because Q4 obviously looked optically higher and Q1 is optically looking far weaker. So adjusted for that, what would have been your Q1 margins? What are the other initiatives that we are taking to revive our margins for unitary products for rest of FY27? My second question on MEP business, so here we have been very positive even in the press release and even in the opening remarks. So, earlier we were talking about 8% to 10% kind of revenue guidance for from for his business for the entire FY27. Are we looking to upgrade our guidance on MEP business? Yes, those are my two questions.

B. Thiagarajan

There is no deferred cost from Q4 at all because you mentioned something like what is the deferred cost. The margin that we declared in Q4 is the right margin. Now it was a double - digit margin, if you recollect, okay? and there is no deferred cost into Q1 it is an actual cost that was incurred in Q4. How it has to be understood is that when you do the material accounting, it is on a rolling basis. So you will have an inventory of some old material also being there and as you move into the season, there will be a fresh material that will be coming in. The price increase that is to be passed on has not been passed on fully, that is the first part of it. There is a second part, April last week summer has set in, we wait for in May, whether the market situation changes. Unfortunately, it did not change because many of our competitors had material, and they were maintaining lower prices. In the process, having understood that we lost a 50 basis point market share in April, what we should be doing. We should be doing that, look, it is important in the business to be not losing the market share to what extent you can go ahead and do. Our immediate thing is that our tertiary sales should be improved through consumer finance and other schemes so that the dealers are able to liquidate , so we incurred those costs. The in-shop demonstrators, advertising, field marketing and the consumer finance .these costs came in May and June in a significant manner, which resulted in our bouncing back with a 10 basis point market share in tertiary sales . A gain, in June, I think we performed exceedingly well in the industry with a 50 basis point gain market share. Suddenly in June, the summer ends after the first week because the consumer sentiments also changed the moment the petroleum prices started going up so the margin that is declared

is not due to any deferred costs and all, it's an actual margin that is what has taken place. Hopefully, old inventory across industry is getting exhausted , the market operating prices one hopes will go up and the second part is, fortunately it is a lean season. The second quarter is not a quarter , it will pick up from Onam season, Ganpati onwards towards the festival season. That is the place where we have to look at what we can do in taking out the cost out of the products very quickly that is the second part of the exercise. So the third part of the exercise is by Q4, we should have rejigged our product portfolio. There are numerous opportunities that, we have demonstrated it again and again. That's why I'm saying that you may see a slight improvement in Q2, Q3 should be much better and Q4 would be a defining period. Our calculation with the cost saving opportunities that we have got and our view of the market. I'm saying that 6.5% for full year may not be a challenge and we have to look at 7% to 7.5%. That's what I've been saying that this business should operate at. We are the industry benchmark for ROCE. That part of it is not an issue at all that we continue to do well there, even in terms of working capital we have seen. The real challenge is the market operating prices in the industry vis-a-vis what cost and what market share goals we have got, that’s how you have to understand it. Commercial refrigeration products could have helped in terms of the revenue growth, the margin profile, there is not significantly different. Only in the cold rooms it will be different. In the deep freezer is again a unitary cooling product. Unfortunately , that has been doing badly at the industry itself. One hopes in the festival season that also revised because for a long period, it cannot be muted.

Equirus Capital

Sure, sir. and lastly, on the MEP business on the revenue side.

B. Thiagarajan

I had indicated the CAGR for the room air conditioners as a category for the industry, over a 5-year period, 18% is looking good. I had also stated commercial air conditioner of the MEP projects in terms of CAGR, you should look at only 8% to 10% kind of g rowth. It is not a sector which is going to grow. But what has significantly changed is the data center segment, where there is a huge rush to block the capacities of the vendors, that many data center operators are blocking our capacity. Can you take this order? Can you sign a 3-year contract that is all is happening. At the same time, you would understand there is an infra projects business that we have. We have a building vertical and our principle is very clear that I cannot for a data center segment, go ahead and expand my team exponentially. I am investing in manpower, but also significant amount of my manpower and my resources are getting diverted from infra and

building sector. Probably, the growth what we indicated as 8% to 10% may go up to 12% for a couple of years. This financial year, you can take that our order inflow will be Rs.3,000 Crore, and our revenue will be Rs.1,350 Crore from segment alone. This is likely to become an order inflow of around Rs.4,500 Crore next year and around Rs.2,100 Crore of revenue next year. This segment can accelerate the growth, but this is limited to this particular segment. We think that there will be a cycle. There is a huge rush, and it will be a dip and again it will be coming back. So it is not on a steady state. There is in room air condition because of the penetration, you can say, over an 5-year period, 18% CAGR is possible

Equirus Capital

Sure, sir. Thank you and wish you all the best.

B. Thiagarajan

Thank you.

Moderator

Next question comes from the line of Natasha Jain with Phillip Capital. Please go ahead.

Phillip Capital

Thank you for the opportunity. Sir, 3 questions. One, in terms of the import costs, especially in quarter 2, given that we'll now be importing compressors, heavy lifting that and 40% of the BOM cost we import. Additionally, copper sequentially is also up 9%, which we have not taken or the industry has not taken the entire price hike. So on that note, and given that volumes are already tepid, do you think that margins will look more blown out of proportion on the negative side in quarter 2? And therefore, 6.5%, which you just guided on the segment II EBIT, do you think that could also s ee further tapering going into the year? Second question, sir, is on the trade scheme. So could you call out specifically what these schemes were? And just want to know if it was more a direct discounting or not? And was it competition that took so much of discounting that we had to follow throug h? Because usually, Blue Star is a company do not engage in such kind of discounting. Going forward, how difficult will it be to roll back these discounts and then sell without all this? On the data center MEP work. Is this more a margin accretive business or this is more of a top line story? Yes, that's all.

B. Thiagarajan

I'll answer the last one first. The data center business is not a top-line alone, out of the MEP project verticals, if you take buildings or the infra projects like Metro Rail or electrical water, compared with that, the data center segment is attractive for the simple reason these are 8 - month to 12-months commissioning projects, it doesn't last 3-4 years.

The second thing is, the payment terms are very favourable. Third is, there are enough price escalation provisions on the metal prices, specifically, and on electrical items, so we are we are very happy with the MEP projects. The execution pressure will be high, and we are leaders there today, basically because we deliver these projects well. Therefore, we are we I may not say that we are being given a premium or something like that, but we are the preferred contractors, it is compared with other segments, it is very attractive, so it is not a top-line story alone, it is a highly profitable business with good cash flows. We will be also investing there in modernizing the execution, improving our efficiency, and it requires specialized professionals, we are investing in human resources as well, so that is the first part of it. Come to the room air conditioners, your question is a combination of strategic as well as current operational issues . You are right, the Blue Star would like to be in that high -end premium segment. For us, the profitability has been more important than the market share. Our behavior would have been like that had it not been for the unprecedented increase in the input costs, and our behavior would have been different if it is not the year after a bad summer year, okay? We started with Q4 was a stellar performance, you are aware of it, more than, it is close to 10.4% operating margin that we delivered, and we ended the year with a market share gain, despite being a bad summer year. We felt that this strategy is going to work in the month of April, it didn't work and suddenly in one month alone with around 50 basis points, the inputs we had from the trade was that, "Look, you are going on increasing the prices and we are not able to lift, we are not able to sell." So, the immediate decision was that I have to help the dealers sell, and that was through the promotions, and specifically the consumer finance. This consumer finance cost had significantly gone up, but it paid off, and we saw in the 15 days in May when we took that decision, our reversing the whole trend and gaining 10 basis points market share. In June, even though the summer ended, we ended up ga ining around 50 basis points market share. It is about managing tactically , we were very sure 6 months nothing will change if we don't act now, let us do that. All along the hope was that at some point of time, this war is going to end, or it happens, then it suddenly starts, but it is lingering. I do not foresee in Q2 anything dramatically going to change in terms of the cost structure, input costs are going to be higher only. What I am expecting is the market operating prices should be better than what it is. It's not going to be dramatically different, but it will be better than what prevailed in Q1, because I am estimating that the old inventory that was there would have got liquidated.

You have to also keep in mind, because of the energy label change, the trade bought excess material of the old energy label material and continued till April with that material, because only manufacturers cannot build, the trade can keep stocking that and selling that product. I am expecting the market operating prices to go up. Our side, we are trying to see that how we can make certain products more competitive. As you can imagine, this will take time, it's not overnight, you have to do the testing, etc etera an alternate component or some product we were developing, we were waiting for 6 more months to launch it, we are expediting that. All these actions have to take place or beginning to take place from now on, and Q3, if the festival season is doing well, we should be improving the margin further. We are determined; we will get back to our conventional margins in Q4. These are our plans, the entire thing depends also on the West Asia crisis, exchange rate, then you have got how the competition is going to behave. My outlook, I had said that once upon a time it was a 12% margin industry and it came down to 9.5% to 10%, it came down to 8% to 8.5%, off late I have been saying it is going to be 7.5% to 8%, and I'm only hoping that, it should go back to 7.5% to 8%. It will be unfortunate if this growing industry also settles down to some 6.5% industry basis, combined all put together. I don't think it will happen because the opportunities are plenty, and I think because of the energy label changes, because of the regulatory changes, because of Make in India, this should change. One more thing you have to remember is the PLI schemes, the people are at their peak and it will be coming to an end. This Rs.4,000 Crore of PLI is going to anyway get diluted, because PLI is not based on the production, it is based on an incremental sale. So, over the base year of 2022, if whomsoever is going to sell more, they are going to get more incentive, it is a SLI, not really a PLI, though it is called a PLI. So, you have to be conscious of that fact as well, that money is also getting diluted into the pricing. Bottom line, how confident I am that we will reach 6.5%? I am certain we will. Unless something completely untoward happens, a full-blown war in the Middle East and the global economy collapses. Otherwise, 6.5% should be possible, there are enough levers we have already identified. Whether it will be 7% or 7.5%, we are unable to state. Whether Blue Star will maintain its market share, that is the decision now, because of 1 year of unprecedented commodity price escalation and market not able to pass on, whether we should slide back in our market share, May 2nd week we made up our mind that we should not allow the market share to deteriorate, this period will be over at some point of time.

Moderator

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Saumil Mehta with Kotak MF. Please go ahead.

Kotak MF

Yes, thanks for the opportunity. Two questions from my side. First, in terms of commercial ref where you told that there was a degrowth because of deep freezers and ice cream, was it got to do with the industry -wide demand destruction, or was it specific mark et share loss because of higher competitive intensity or pricing?

B. Thiagarajan

We have held on to our market share, there is absolutely no problem. Unlike, room air conditioners where you have a GFK data, we do not have, we have to go by industry data that is available, that business is through predominantly through the OEMs. I don't think there is a residential market of significant size. We know which are the rate contracts whether it is Amul or Mother Dairy or Havmor, so many ice cream brands what they are lifting from there. This is a, this is not a market share loss, the industry has not grown, and that's why we are hopeful at some point of time it has to revive.

Kotak MF

Sure. And in terms of the MEP division, where incremental ordering from data center is going up, now you mentioned that the terms of trade are better and obviously, it comes at a slightly better margin, I believe. So, if not now, from a structurally 2 or 3-years perspective, is it fair to assume that the Unit 1 division can see margins in north of 8% -8.5% on a structural basis with far better ROCE because of a better payment terms?

B. Thiagarajan

Certainly, as we move towards that peak, golden period of data center -dominated MEP segment, the margin should go up.

Kotak MF

Sure. My last question, sir, in terms of the revenue growth for the UCP, broadly if you can split, or not the exact number, but what was the volume growth and value growth for the for the current quarter?

B. Thiagarajan

In terms of how the market would have, the primary basically comes from the industry estimates. You have multiple points of checking that how it is, and you do get the data from large retailers like Croma, Vijay Sales, and Reliance Jio. My estimate is in Q1 , room air conditioners market in volume terms grew by 21% is my estimate, and Blue Star grew by 18%.

B. Thiagarajan

Yes, in volume terms. In revenue terms, the market grew by, I'm talking only about the Q1 period, my estimate is it grew by 25%, and Blue Star grew by 21%. These are all on the primary sales basis, because your market share is based on primary, right? So, tho ugh the

GFK talks about the tertiary. You are seeing the revenue growth as 13% because commercial refrigeration has pulled it down. This data will correlate with what G FK tertiary is saying as well, but if you look at July, August, September, this should play out in this manner, that we do have the lag between the industry and ours. In secondary sales, Blue Star lost a market share of 30 bps compared with March or compared with FY26, which is 0.3% drop in tertiary sales. In the primary sales, because of that April huge dip, Blue Star lost 0.65% or 65 bps. This is the data.

Kotak MF

Sure, sir. Thank you so much and all the best for subsequent quarters.

B. Thiagarajan

Thank you.

Moderator

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Praveen Sahay with Prabhudas Lilladher. Please go ahead.

Prabhudas Lilladher

Yes. So, thank you, sir, for opportunity and detailed explanation about the result. My question is related to commercial AC, because there the growth in the Q1 has been good and you are expecting a good growth there as well, while there is a some contraction in the margin. So, what kind of a growth you had seen in the Q1 and way forward how much you are expecting from the commercial AC space?

B. Thiagarajan

Commercial AC space, is driven by today the manufacturing or industrial sector, which is doing well, data center chillers market is growing, while we have a 30% market share in data center MEP projects, and our market share will be 10% to 12% in data cente r chillers, because we compete with larger four or five multinational players and there the market share is not 30%. If you look at manufacturing, if you look at the other sector which had driven growth is the healthcare sector, the other sector which is also doing well is the education sector. There are a few other sectors which are not doing well, but this quarter, we a re seeing them reviving as well, most importantly, the retail and the education sectors. These should be coming back. The outlook will be that around 10% growth is easily possible in commercial air conditioning, and 15% I am not able to predict now.

Prabhudas Lilladher

Right, sir. How much of the capex you have done in the Q1, and for the next 9 months, how much is planned?

In Q1, the capex has been in the region of around Rs.60 Crore to Rs.70 Crore. And annually, if you see, our capex, when I say capex, it includes capex, it includes R&D intangibles spends, if any, on product development as well as, you know, any digital spends that we do,

overall, the growth-related spend should be in the region of around Rs.300 Crore to Rs.350 Crore if everything goes as per plan.

Moderator

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Sonali Salgaonkar with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Sir, thank you for the opportunity. Sir, my first question is on channel inventory levels currently in the industry or with Blue Star. Is it normalized, and if yes, at what level is it?

B. Thiagarajan

I don't think it is in alarming level, but it has not normalized. The anticipation was the summer will continue beyond June into July, that was the expectation. But June itself, after 10th it suddenly collapsed the demand. Therefore, the channels carry some more inventory, but I don't think it is an alarming level at all. The key question to be asked is that, , when the channel will start buying the new inventory for the forth coming festival season, I think in Kerala, it'll start just before Onam, rest of it during the Ganesh Chaturthi period onwards. This this month is going to be a lull. That's how it will be.

Sir, so by normalized, should we assume a 45 to 50 days reasonable level right now?

B. Thiagarajan

There is a lot of confusion with regard to the, when you say, there are the brands who hold the stocks in the field in their warehouses, then the trade have already bought it and they are selling it during the month. If you put together, my estimate is it will be 60 days should be normal and if you take the trade alone, 45 days should be normal. But what happened in Q1 or what happened in Q4 of last year is a different phenomenon altogether, that energy label has changed, you buy that material, so carry excess inventory in the hope of summer. Then the summer gets delayed, then chaotic pricing in order to liquidate, then the brands say that I am going to increase the prices, and therefore the trade starts buying before it goes up in the hope of summer. Then the summer is a curtailed summer, but I wouldn't still complain, I think the volume growth of around 25% happened. This is also a function of what is the total manufacturing capacity today, it is almost double of the market size. They wouldn't have produced double, but that is the capacity available thanks to the PLI scheme and the and the competition entering this particular space, there is excess capacity available. All consumer durable industry go through one particular phase, and that's what we are in. If the commodity prices wouldn't have gone up in this manner, or exchange rate would have been reasonably under control, if the summer season would have been good, the pain will not be there. This is a perfect storm of multiple things happening.

Understood, Sir. Second question on price hikes. You did mention that you attempted to pass on a part of the cost search, but you had to keep the prices largely in tandem with the marketplace prices, so about 5% hike is what was in net -net effected in Q1. In your view, how much price hike should be required to recoup our lost margins from hereon?

B. Thiagarajan

I strictly speaking, even in the month of May, 8% more was needed. Yesterday, the copper has touched record price, I don't know today what it is. The rupee is still volatile, and the petroleum-based products prices will keep going up. Ideally you pass on additional 8%, but that is not going to be available, it all depends on how the market is going to behave. So, you have to go ahead and reduce the cost. There is no other go. I don't think market will be accepting it.

Understood, sir. Very clear and who does it faster will be the beneficiary. Got it, sir. Very clear and all the best to the team.

B. Thiagarajan

Thank you.

Moderator

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Aditya Bhartia with Investec. Please go ahead.

Hi, good afternoon, sir. Given that we had increased prices only in line with the industry at around 5%, then what do you think led to the market share loss? That's my first question. And a related question is that when we speak about product rejig, what does this necessarily entail? And are we confident that the entire exercise should be done by third quarter and during the festive season and fourth quarter, we can benefit out of it? Thank you, sir.

B. Thiagarajan

The first part is that, I don't think there were many brands had increased it even by 5%. The prices were, the products at older prices were available even in the month of June and some of you had done the channel check, they were asking me this question, "There are many products which are manufactured in January, February are on the shelves even in June." Despite being a good summer, so that means products have been manufactured, see, the people who strategically bought the commodities, knowing that it is going up, it is probable, and they were, see in if there are enough OEMs in the market, you are aware o f it that they can operate with 3.5% to 4% margin, and you had many others, other than the regular players getting into this with the OEM-manufactured products. It is not that even that 5% was passed on by the other brands. We had many brands who had not even increased it by 5%. The second part is that Blue Star's own thing could have been that, had we known, we would have reengineered the products, but the new ene rgy label when we launched the products, we were very clear that we will have products at all price

points. We will have the new energy label products, we will have premium products as well. But what should have been different in retrospective is that all that it is needed is the lowest cost entry-level products, predominantly, 90% has to be that. That is the thing. Now, your question is whether in 6 months it can be done? it can be done, there is no problem. There are quite a few levers have to be used, the alternate makes of the components, some portfolio we may have to outsource, in certain other cases, the products will have to be redesigned. And fortunately, we have multiple designs like for example, Sri City has certain products, and our Himachal factory produces a different design. We have already plans to cut down some of the models and replace it with cost competitive models. What will not change is, we are very clear in terms of brand positioning, it has to be durable products, it has to be highly reliable products, it should be differentiated. Within that element, we have to compete on price as well. It is not that we will go down the path of cheap products, which is not the idea at all, but we have enough levers. That's why I'm saying you in Q2 may not be any change. By the way, the earlier person had asked the question, will it get into negative territory? I don't think so. We know for sure, the improvement opportunities within Q2 in the lean quarter will be very limited. Some operating costs can be controlled because we don't have a pressure of a secondary sales movement at this point of time and Q3, Q4, we are confident.

Moderator

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Rahul Agarwal with IKIGAI Asset. Please go ahead.

Ikigai Asset

Hi, good afternoon everybody on the call. Sir, just one question on exports. I'm excited to read the statement of additional USD100 million of opportunity in fiscal '28 itself, largely coming from U.S. Just wanted to understand, like what is the current export run rate for the full year? Like you can talk about the last year. Then FY27, you already spoke about good growth in 1Q. How do you look at the current year? And then fiscal '28, is U.S. only going to be contributing to this growth? Because Middle East we will obviously recover, we are assuming that. And then over and upwards of that, how do you see the opportunity in Europe? In a lot more media, you're taking quite a bit of mindshare there. Can we do anything over there?

B. Thiagarajan

Nikhil will take out from the annual report, the U.S. revenue is listed there. He will read it out for you from the balance sheet itself. That's a disclosed figure anyway. Now the statement that we are making is and consistent with what I've been saying, there are 3 distinct markets. There is our traditional Middle East, Africa market, which is muted for obvious

reasons, that we have to wait for this crisis to be over. In any case, it was a very small market for us. It is not a highly profitable market. The most profitable market for air conditioning industry is North America, that is the most profitable market for any brand and then comes Europe. The 2 products that we are pursuing are air -to-air heat pump, air-to-water heat pump. And these are to replace the conventional heating systems out there. And the boiler-based heating. U.S. is beginning to move in the direction that too with the new refrigerants and we were also very clear we won't directly enter in our brand, which is an expensive proposition, profitable opportunity is manufacturing products for other brands there under a CDM route. OEM is original equipment manufacturing. ODM is original design and manufacturing. CDM is custom, design and manufacturing , which means your brand in U.S. has decided that I won't introduce these, these models , these features, and you custom design for them, and you manufacture and export. This process takes a long time, With a couple of customers, we have progressed. Our shipments are taking place. Trial order has completed 2 seasons of summer and winter now, it is on the verge of scaling. There, this complication over the past 12 months of which tariff, there is a derivative tariff, there is suddenly 100% free trade agreement is hanging. Despite that, we have done that revenue figure, Nikhil will give you, and as we continue, the shipments are beginning to take place, all are waiting for when this trade-related issues will get resolved, that's where US is. It is not scaling now, only for that reason, otherwise they are, the customers are desperate to get this product, it is a huge success there. Come to Europe, in Europe, it is not new construction, new construction is very limited, it is supposed to be replacement or retrofit into the existing homes. Europe behaves in a completely different manner, they all expect subsidy from the government. The governments at some point of time introduced a subsidy and they withdrew that, Germany was the first one to do, and the consumer question is that, "Look, you are trying to de-risk the Chinese gas issue, you want to become green, and then the government should support," that is the position of the consumer. Now, there the market is now limited to the extent of only the consumers who can afford and go ahead and do, therefore our OEMs are not growing. For me to grow, my OEMs should see a boom in that market, and they believe that once this crisis is over, there should be growth, for a long time it cannot be muted like that. In both US and Europe, we are seen as China Plus One. Whether China can supply them the product? They can very well supply. There are two issues, the China tariff is higher, and the

geopolitical issues and they would like to de -risk and have one more country supplying. From India, we are better placed for the simple reason, our multinational competitors are directly in there, so the other American players will not buy from them, they have to buy from us, preferably if we do well. Food news, the learning curve is over, these products are perfected, these products are working. We hope this this tariff thing cannot linger for a long time, and we should be growing. This is the full story about international business.

Yes, coming to, in case if you wanted to know the export numbers, in the current year, the rupee has moved, so taking an average, you can put it at around USD80 million to USD85 million in the current FY26, the reported year, last year. And year before that, it would have been in the region of around USD55 million to USD60 million. So, around last year growth will be around 40% in exports.

Ikigai Asset

USD100 million is going to be additional revenue over and upwards of this in FY28?

Ikigai Asset

Right, so about USD200 million, about USD180 million, USD190 million, right?

Ikigai Asset

Got it, sir. Thank you so much for the detailed answer and all the best.

B. Thiagarajan

Thank you.

Moderator

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Nirransh Jain with BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Moderator

Mr. Jain, please go ahead. Thank you.

BNP Paribas

Yes. Sir, just one clarification on the price hikes, so in the last quarter, you had said that we have taken roughly 5% increase on the account of BEErating, and another 8% on the commodity inflation. Now, when we are looking at this quarter numbers, our price action seems to be somewhere close to 3% to 4%. So, this gap is largely on the account of discounting and is that true? and if that is true, then how are we looking at the price like the ASP increase for us for the next three quarters?

B. Thiagarajan

No, your understanding is only partially right. The 5 plus 8 that is13 is supposed to be passed on, we could succeed in passing on only around 5, some models 3, some models 4, some models 5. We failed or it was not possible for us to pass on the rest at all. This is in

terms of the gross margin. Then you have got the operating costs that are there, what happens is when you are pushing the tertiary sale, you are going to be incurring costs in consumer finance and other costs, in-shop promotions, advertising. So, the combined effect is resulting in a margin erosion, this what it is. So balance 8 is not passed on.

BNP Paribas

Sure, sir. And going ahead, at least for the balance FY27, how are we looking at this pass- on? Or is it contingent, purely contingent on demand as of now?

B. Thiagarajan

I mentioned that, the month of July-August is not a big one, the September it should pick up, and only when sale is there you can adjust the margin.? If there is a very small quantities are sold, that margin is not going to impact your quarter margin. I see only a marginal improvement happening in Q2. Q3 will be, assuming the festival season does well, it should be doing well. Q4 should be doing well because by then we will be ready with many new other cost saving in the product or the cost take-out from the products, or a new portfolio, a mix of what we may outsource and what we will make ourselves. I had stated that I am able to disclose that 6.5% is possible full year. Our aspiration is 7.5%. So, 7% or 7.5% we have to wait and see how we progress each quarter. That's where we are.

BNP Paribas

Do you think structurally, like not for this year, but structurally the aspiration of 8% to 8.5% that has now come down to somewhere between 7% to 7.5%?

B. Thiagarajan

No, again, I had clarified this earlier in much earlier. The question is it used to be a 12% thing, it came down to 10, we said that it'll be 9.5% to 10%, the industry, then I had stated 8% to 8.5%, then for the last 6 months I've been saying with the capacity that has increased, and intense competition, and the entry-level buyers driving the growth, it more looks like 7.5% to 8%. I stated today that, the unfortunate part will be if it is to drop to 6.5% industry. I don't think it will happen given that the 18% growth CAGR is going to take place. It will be a disaster if it drops to 6.5%. This industry at this stage going by what all has happened in television or washing machines or refrigerator, I think it will hold on to 7% to 7.5%. This is not a period to judge that, this period is one energy label change and erratic commodity price and exchange rate, you will not be able to get the answer. I think if this crisis goes, some stable period FY27 may determine that, I still believe that it'll be a 7.5% operating margin industry.

Moderator

Ladies and gentlemen, due to time constraints, we have reached the end of question-and- answer session. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Nikhil Sohoni for closing comments.

Yes, thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen, with this, we conclude this quarter's conference call. If you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to us. Thank you once again and have a good day ahead.

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