UTI Asset Management Company Limited

FY2027 Q1

2026-07-21 Transcript PDF
Uday Pai

Yes, thank you for the opportunity. I have a couple of questions. First is can you share the yields across equity, hybrid, ETF, and liquid for the quarter? And this quarter we see in your financial that there is no non -controlling interest line item or rather it's zero. So, what is the reason for that? And the third question would be the net flows that we see in ETF is there a contribution from EPFO money also, or is it pure retail HNI category flows? And lastly, if I can squeeze one, what's the dividend policy going forward?

Vinay Lakhotia

Yes. So hi, Uday. Yield for the equity and hybrid fund is close to around 72 basis points, 72- 73 basis points. ETF and index fund is around 8 basis points. Cash and arbitrage funds are at around 12, and for the fixed income fund is around close to around 20 basis points. So that's on the yield part. On the non-controlling interest, we had investment in two of our AIF funds, SDOF II and SDOF III, where because of the controlling interest and because of accounting standards, we were required to consolidate their balance sheet with UTI AMC. But since S DOF II has already returned the money and SDOF III we have sold a part of our stake, then for this particular quarter, for both the funds, the consolidation was not required to

be carried out in our balance sheet, and the non -controlling interest, which represents the other shareholder interest in that particular fund, has actually come down. So that's on the non - controlling part. And with what was the third question?

Uday Pai

Net flow in ETF. The ETF net flows is there is a contribution from EPFO or is it retail?

Yes. Vetri here. I mean w e don't comment on specific customer flows, so I can't answer that question. But I would just say that our index fund inflows, which is actually significantly retail, were significantly positive for the quarter.

Uday Pai

Sure. And dividend policy, any colour on that?

Vinay Lakhotia

I think we have been maintaining a very healthy pay-out ratio of the profit in excess of 95%. I think hopefully that will continue.

Uday Pai

Sure, sir. Thank you. That's it from my side.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Mohit Mangal from Centrum. Please go ahead.

Yes. Good evening, everybody, and thanks for the opportunity. My first question is basically I wanted to know the impact of, you know, 5 bps exit load on yields -- have we taken the hit or have we passed on to the distributor?

Vinay Lakhotia

Mohit, as you can see from our yield number, there are no dilution as far as the margins are concerned. So basically, whatever the impact of the TER changes has been there, we have passed on the impact to all our intermediaries, and there's no impact on our margin number as such.

Okay, that's great. My second question is basically.

Moderator

I am sorry to interrupt sir. Your voice is not very audible. Could you use your handset?

Moderator

Yes, this is. Thank you so much.

Yes. So, on the net flows, you know, I think if I have to look at your equity schemes, three biggest schemes, flexi cap, large cap, and mid cap. Just wanted to know qualitatively, was there any redemption pressure or how were the flows in this segment, in these schemes?

Vinay Lakhotia

So, the net sales number, Mohit, we have already published that. There have been some redemption pressure under our flexi cap category, but large and mid-cap, we have been receiving quite a positive inflow , and in fact, in flexi cap fund as well, the SIP inflows have been encouraging. But while the overall net sales numbers are negative in flexi cap fund, but there are gross sales in that particular fund and large & mid-cap fund has been doing very well as far as net inflows are concerned.

Right. My last question is towards the PMS. So, I think in your opening comments, you said that, you know, we had to transfer some amount with respect to EPFO money and therefore there has been a decline. So, for the entire year, how should we look at the PMS, please?

Vinay Lakhotia

So, the impact is very marginal in terms of fees, and that has already been factored into our -- this particular quarter financial number. But there's no meaningful impact on the fees number for the PMS on account of this transfer.

Understood. Lastly, in terms of the international business.

Moderator

I'm sorry, sir, your voice is breaking up again.

Yes. So, my last question is on the international business. So basically, we are seeing some kind of pressure over the last 2 to 3 quarters. So, I mean, I understand that because the global uncertainty and other factors as well. But how should we look in terms of this business going forward?

So, from our point of view, the international businesses essentially an international sales and distribution business for the investment management capabilities that we already have in India. So, it's the same team that's effectively able to manage the products, which are then getting distributed in different geographies, almost about 38 plus geographies where we have licenses or the product is registered and licensed for sale. What you are seeing in terms of the flows over the last, I would say, actually, almost 2 years, combination of both the lack of appetite for India, I should actually say negative sentiment towards India and the fact that our own scheme has struggled in terms of performance over the last two years. So that's the reason why the flows are negative. But I see that as essentially a cyclical issue. At some point, you will see interest in India come back. And I think the scope for India to attract money as an individual geography as opposed to being just a part of a global pool. We see that trend already. And I think that will only accentuate if we stay on the structural growth path. And therefore, we think there is a great opportunity for us as an India-based manager with local investment management capabilities to capture a share of that market rather than allow that to accrue only to the global firms who actually don't necessarily h ave much o n-ground fund management presence.

Moderator

The next question is from the line of Divij Punjabi from Banyan Tree Advisors.

Banyan Tree Advisors

Yes, I had three questions. The first was like we were discussing some time ago that there was a strategy to diversify focus away from the top 2, 3 equity and hybrid funds into the other funds as well, so that across cycles, the AUM is more consistent . So, can you just comment on how that effort has been progressing so far?

Okay, you want me to answer that? Yes, Vetri here. So, I would say that is well underway, and that's reflected in the fact that now the team is actually focused and I would say they've also demonstrated their own capability in terms of being able to push the gross sales across a whole host of funds, rather than it being limited to just a few historically what we may have called flagship schemes. So, I think the comment perhaps that Vinay made earlier, if you look at the large & mid-cap fund that is actually the fund in which we are having maximum traction at this point of time, and based on the month, I think we are pushing almost 3% to 3.5% in terms of our share of net sales on that strategy. At the same time, in a strategy like flexi cap which has been challenged, I think team has done a great job of communicating the positioning of that strategy, the potential inflection points, and therefore even though we've lost money because of redemptions, they've actually managed to increase the SIP pipeline over there. So, I think that strategy is underway. It's a continuous sort of learning experience to the team to sort of push them and nudge them, but I think we are on the right track in terms of being able to get the benefit of a diversified set of products to reflect in our sales numbers. And even in I would say has been a challenged strategy for us in the pure mid-cap fund, actually the team has managed to clock in a positive net sales number year-to-date. So, I think it just speaks to the ability of the team to engage and be able to settle a very diversified suite of products. And similar would apply even in hybrids. I think in hybrids, our net flows sometimes don't reflect what the team is doing because we've got two-three, what I would call sunset products which are just sort of rolling off. But outside of those something like the aggressive hybrid etc., again, we've been consistently averaging 2% to 3% of industry net sales over there. So, we are continuing to push the team to engage on multiple products with the whole sales architecture -- distribution architecture.

Banyan Tree Advisors

Sir, I'll just put the other two questions also forward. One is around the employee count. So sequentially, we're seeing that the employee count has gone up by 5%-6% or so. So, kind of you can explain that. And the other one is, is there any consideration around the buyback given the cash that is there and given the price of the stock?

Sandeep Samsi

On the employee count, our numbers have remained fairly stable. As we had mentioned that earlier also when we had given the VRS, the numbers came down and we have only replaced people where there was a need. So, we have not replaced all th e people who have taken VRS. So, I'm not sure about the number of employees increase that you're saying. Are you talking from a cost point or are you talking from an absolute number point?

Sandeep Samsi

So that is the consolidated number, which also includes the people that we have in the pension funds as well as i n the alternatives business. So, as Vetri also mentioned in his opening comments, we are investing in all of these businesses and therefore, we have recruited people for sales in the different subsidiaries. But in the asset management, the number remains fairly stable.

Vinay Lakhotia

Divij, we highlighted earlier as well that in UTI Pension Fund Limited, since we are expanding our capabilities into the private pension business, there a significant number of recruitments are happening, plus on the UTI Alternative sides also, we are building capabilities in terms of two strategies, both on the private equity as well as on the real estate fund. So, these subsidiaries' headcount number has increased, but on the standalone entity, which is the mutual fund business, there the numbers are actually slightly lower only.

Just to give you some colour on the AMC side, honestly, it's our belief based on the way we look at the sizing of the organisation that honestly there's no reason for the AMC number to go up unless something changes dramatically, either in terms of our thought process or industry architecture or distribution architecture. So, you should not see the AMC number go up. Pension fund, again, just to reiterate, actually over there the numbers will go up dramatically over the next two years, but that's just a function of the growth that we are seeing, and we think we can fund that growth quite comfortably without any profita bility dent when you look at the pure pension fund company numbers. So over there, we will actually significantly expand the workforce over the next 18 months. We actually approved it for them way b ack in October-November '25. So, I think they will almost more than double their headcount over the next year, year and a half.

No, there's no proposal that we are considering at this point of time. It's not on the table.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Shreyas Pimple from Nomura. Please go ahead.

Hi, team. Thank you so much for the opportunity. My first question was on the Mission 2031 strategy. Any quantitative metric or targets that we have set for ourselves in terms of, let's say, distribution or capabilities, if you could expand on that, please, first.

Sure. So, I think as far as the Mission 2031 targets are concerned, we said we think there is scope for us to manage 2x our current AUM because we've already made all the commensurate investments that we would need in terms of people, technology, etc. Of course, you have some sort of upgrade cycles in all of this, but otherwise, we are well -staffed to be able to do that. So that's pretty much, I would say, on target.

We need to ramp up our flow market share in equity, because our flow market share in equity is significantly lower than our stock of AUM market share in equity products. So that remains the focus area in terms of the number that we need to take up. I think over there, our current sort of double-down is on SIP, recogni sing the fact that we've got some weak performance and redemptions in some of the large schemes. So that's why we've been doubling down on SIP. But at some point, of time, we think cycle will be more favourable. We are also carrying out our own enhancements on process, people within investment management. So, I think at some point when we are able to get better performance numbers, we'll be able to take up that number in a more cyclical fashion. So that's where we are in terms of making sure but the bigger thought process, flow market share eventually needs to exceed stock market share. That's the only way we are going to be able to get to the targets we have set out for ourselves. Meanwhile, use every other tactic, whether it is SIP, whether it is other products, whether it is passive, to kind of keep the engagement with the entire distribution architecture and continue to meet whatever investment goals that customers have in whatever products they might want to be able to achieve this.

Understood. Just one follow-up on that. When an investor thinks about UTI AMC. What are the unique selling points? What are the USPs that you want an investor to think about when they think of the UTI AMC as a fund house?

That’s a very tough one because some level, sometimes I think the MF ‘Sahi Hai’ campaign paints all of us with the same brush so it sometimes gets difficult for people to distinguish, but I would say where we've been doubling down is really in terms of pushing our legacy, the fact that we've been around for 60 years, whatever that we do as an organi sation is focused on the long term. And therefore, in every part of our engagement, whether it is with distributors, whether it is customers, it's always to stress the longevity of the organi sation and the fact that the investors own needs will evolve over 10, 20, 30 years, and this is an institution which has demonstrated its capable of managing the cycle s, managing the challenges and delivering on what those investors expect over a long period of time. So, you'll double down on that trust and comfort that people have with the brand. The second thing that we've articulated for a while now is the fact that whatever we do in terms of our products, in terms of our processes, or rather in terms of our investment management. At the core of it, there is always a very strong process because w e think that is what gives institutions longevity over long periods of time in terms of meeting investor requirements is processes. At the same time, you also need to make sure that your talent, the people within the organisation are appropriately skilled, they are engaged, they are meeting with the market players, they are

engaged with investors, they are engaged in all sorts of public medium because this is an environment in which people want to see what the fund managers are saying and doing. So, we are conscious of that. We target a lot of our media conversations to make sure there is appropriate visibility for the fund managers, there is regular contact with our partners at every level. So, I would say it's really the trust, it's the process and it's the engagement that we think will continue to define what UTI means to the customer and continue to stress the fact that these are very long-term journeys. It's not a question of buying the fund which has had the best performance in the last 1 year. It's a question of a fund which has the right thought process in terms of processes, in terms of risk management to meet the needs of the investor over the medium to long-term.

Sure. Sir, and in terms of the target customer segment, can you , while I understand we will be happy to cater to every Indian, but what are some of the target customer segments that we are going after.

Maybe Sandeep can share some data on that, which we sort of know based on our own marketing efforts.

Sandeep Samsi

So, Shreyas, the main target audience that we are looking at is the first-time investors which are coming into the mutual fund , the young investors that have started working, as well as we are looking at people who have got into the next cycle of their life stages, getting married, and then starting a family and increasing their responsibility. So, if you look at some of the data that we have, we can clearly see in our data that in the first quarter of FY27, we saw about 18.6% increase on a quarter -on-quarter basis on the SIP registrations which happened between the age group of 18 to 25. They have now jumped up to, in this first quarter itself, to 98,127. So, this is a very strong growth, and this is the strongest growth that we have seen across age groups. Even in the 26 to 40, which I mentioned as the people who have started investing for different goals, that grew at a rate of around 6.8% in the new SIPs and 11.4% in new clients. So there has been a lot of growth that we are seeing in the younger segment, and that remains a focus area for us as we believe in India's growth potential.

Just to add the strategic thought process behind that. See, the brand is very well -recognised, I would say, with the older cohorts, if I can use that word, and maybe anybody above 40-plus. For us, we recognise that we are not the first financial brand that younger cohorts have experienced. Younger cohorts have most likely seen the big bank brands which are visible on high streets, those are better known to them. Which is why our, digital team is very aggressive in terms of making sure we have visibility with that cohort in the digital space, because that is where that cohort is very, very active. So, I would say when I think about UTI, not over the next 1-2 years but over the next 10-20 years, we

need to make sure that this brand resonates strongly with the younger cohorts, because if you don't resonate with them, you will not have the benefit of their brand support when they become larger, both in terms of numbers as well as the investment value t hat they would bring to the table. So, we believe that this is really a long -term thing that we need to do in terms of making sure the brand is visible to that younger cohort, and lot of our efforts are targeted towards that. The other thing that we know from history is that when you are one o f the first preferably the first mutual fund that somebody has experienced, they tend to have that brand in their consideration set for whatever decisions they might make later on in life. So, which is why we are very specifically also targeting that, is this a new PAN that we are bringing into the industry, because then our ability to engage with them, both through our digital partnerships that we run with Google, as well as our own, sales and marketing automation capability that we have with Salesforce, we have the ability to communicate with that cohort because they are digitally very savvy. And if we don't do that today, we will have an even bigger problem 20 years out. So, I'm very, focused on the fact that to ensure this institution's brand legacy, we have to significantly engage with that younger cohort and make sure we're one of the first brands that they engage with, which is why we are very aggressive in the digital visibility.

Yes, that is very heartening to hear from you, sir. Thank you so much. My second question was on the Opex front. We have seen both staff cost, employee cost, as well as other Opex being muted this quarter, minus 8% employee cost quarter -on-quarter decline. Can you explain the reason why the cost was muted this quarter?

Vinay Lakhotia

No, as we highlighted in our April con call as well, because of the benefit of VRS that we gave sometime in the third quarter of last financial year, the employee cost net run rate had come down.

So, is it fair to say that the expenses would look like in the range for the next for this full year in the quarter?

Vinay Lakhotia

So, the guidance on the employee cost that we gave earlier was Rs 95 crores for the standalone entity and close to around Rs 130 crores per quarter for a consolidated entity. That is the run rate that we are looking at.

Sure. Sure. That is very helpful. Yes, those were my questions. Thank you so much.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Chirag from DSP. Please go ahead.

Chirag

Yes, sir. Thank you for the opportunity. Sir, just on the buyback, we're sitting on 40% of market capitalisation as cash. This keeps growing 10% every year. Across the NIFTY 500, I don't think any other company will meet this metrics. What needs to happen for you to think about a buyback?

Nothing to add relative to my previous answer. That's not on the table right now. But I don't think you will see it growing at that pace because, whatever we are making in terms of profits as Vinay pointed out earlier, we are almost paying out 95 %-100%. I think for me, the bigger challenge is to make sure that I grow the market cap quickly. And if I can do that, then that comparison that you're making will not look as, you know, stark as it does today.

Chirag

But is there any constraint, sir, on the buyback?

Chirag

Understood. Okay, sir. Thank you so much.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Krunal Shah from ENAM. Please go ahead.

Hi, just wanted to understand the outlook on the other expenses for FY27?

Vinay Lakhotia

I think the earlier guidance we gave, say, all the major technological or IT initiatives, digital initiative, we have already carried out, including our revamp of our digital asset, cloud infrastructure, salesforce automation, data lake. So don't foresee a major IT or a digital expense for the remaining of the financial year. Some things may work out on the AI side. That's why the in the April month we gave a target that 8% to 10% increase on the FY25 -26 number will be the target run rate number for this particular financial year.

Got it. So, you're maintaining the guidance. Okay. My second question is to Vetri. So, the investment that you are doing in UTI International, UTI Pension, how are you looking at the ROI on these investments, say, 5-6 years down the line, given that most of these are through the P&L right now?

Yes, UTI Pension and UTI International as well. Because they are adding a lot of people, so we are booking a lot of expenses, but the revenue is not yet coming?

Well, actually on pension, I think pension relative to our investment is actually hugely profitable from our point of view

Vinay Lakhotia

Incremental, I'm the meaning I said you said that you're going to double the headcount in like 18 months…

Okay, yes, good. So, you know, in pension, honestly, the business is so unbelievably attractive from my point of view. 15 -year money coming in. Obviously, it's at a much lower margin, but from a manufacturer perspective, having that kind of money for 15 years is actually a mo uth- watering proposition.

B. I am focused on making sure that we keep getting rupee profit growth, but no desire to exploit that business for margins at this point of time because that would be missing the woods for the trees. So, we want that pension fund to continue to grow the private sector product, and I think somewhere down the road, you will see lot more collision between these products in the customer heads when they make their choices of where they want to go. And again, I can't understate the attractiveness of a product where for 15 years the customer is going to stay in a relationship with you, which is very different from what happens in the MF space. So, we will be happy to take rupee profits growth in that business, but we are not interested in trying to exploit operating leverage. I'd rather just reinvest it in the business for growth because I think that's the right thing to do in a business which has a 15-year outlook. On the international business, look, that international business just remembers when you look at, I think Vinay can give you the numbers later, but they've effectively their net worth today is 4x what we had given them many, many years ago. So yes, there is some pain that t hey give us on the P&L account. Some of it is just related to the horrible cyclicality that we've seen in terms of the, you know, lack of appetite for India in the last year, year and a half. In the international business, our last big people expansion in terms of headcount happened when we entered the US, which w as in 2024 is when we entered. After having done that US expansion, I am not seeing any reason for the headcount to go up, simply because now we've pretty much covered all the areas that we wanted. Europe was already fully under coverage, Middle East is under coverage , Singapore covers pretty much the entire Asian region for us. So, in international, I think '24 was the last expansion in headcount in a significant way. You should see it at stable state thereafter. Their challenge has been AUM, not increase in headcount cost. And of course, because of their initial seed money, you see volatility in their reported numbers because that flows through the P&L account. And the stated thought process in international, which will maybe in some way address if that is your concern, is our own thought process in international now is wherever possible or not only wherever possible, but rather the first principle should be growth through alliances rather than creating large, fixed cost bases first and then trying to figure out where the AUM growth will come from. So, I think US was the last place where we had to nail down that team and say let's take this cost and then see how to build the business. Hereafter, our thought process is, go the alliance route to scale it, rather than take the costs on our own books upfront.

So, it's pretty much all RMs, business development, sales-related roles.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Abhijeet Sakhare from Kotak Securities. Please go ahead.

Kotak Securities

Hi, thanks. Good evening. My first question was in the opening remarks, you'd mentioned about leaner and agile business model. And if I go back to your, remarks couple of quarters back around, fixing the entire the sales supervisory and the junior layer, in terms of the ratio between the two and how that had to be fixed. Just wanted to understand like where are we in that process, and broadly except for the fund performance which will probably solve for itself, but everything else is now in place or that's like still a few quarters away?

Yes, thanks for that. I'd say on the sales reorganisation stuff, once that VRS was completed, we pretty much got to where we wanted in terms of, changing the ratio of supervisory to feet on street. We sort of clustered some of the branches. So effectively, that allowed us to address that. So, I say we're pretty much there in terms of that 4, 4.5 number. Can it go slightly higher over time? Maybe. But I think we've achieved where we wanted to go. It's also a young team, so I'm also conscious of the fact that, we effectively moved from 5% of our workforce being Gen Z in 2021 to almost 39% of our workforce being Gen Z. Significantly, those bring up the numbers in sales today. Gen Z and Gen Y put together is, I think, 80% of the sales team. So, I would say not only have we managed to get that ratio in a more favourable position, we've also managed to bring in a lot more energy. Yes, some of our experience, moved out with the VRS, but we've brought fresh energy into that team. So, I think that part is working well for us. Investment performance is where, we are not where we would like to be, in my opening remarks I made the call investment excellence, and we've not managed to execute well on that. So that is where we are, sort of working with the team to see what we need to do in terms of both process readjustments and talent to make sure that we are able to execute better. So that to my mind is the key.

Kotak Securities

Thanks for that. Just one follow-up on the cost front. So, while this year will have some benefits because of the one -off costs in the previous year, but because the because the industry is competitive, so next year onwards, do we start to see some creep -up on the cost growth, especially if the if the top line doesn't really start to come through?

Vinay Lakhotia

I think, hard to giving give any guidance number apart from '26-'27. Let's see how this year goes through and then we'll give a call sometime next year.

Moderator

Thank you. Participants if you have any questions, you may enter star followed by one. The next question is from the line of Sagar Doshi from Cleverbyte Capital. Please go ahead.

Cleverbyte Capital

So, I just wanted to understand the growth outlook for this year. As I could see, we have been losing market share over time. So how are you looking at growing the AUM on a net basis? Are you looking at NFOs? So how many new schemes or new products you're looking to launch? If you could give a colour on the growth outlook, that would be good?

Sandeep Samsi

So, on the NFOs, we have a product pipeline which continues to remain robust. And we have a strategy to expand both our passive as well as active investment offerings. We have recently received regulatory approval for several passive products that strengthen our existing index fund investing franchise. This includes the UTI Nifty 500 ETF and index fund, UTI BSE Index Sector Leaders ETF, and there are other funds which are in the pipeline. On the active side, we are looking at launching, subject to regulatory approvals, a balanced hybrid fund and some sec toral debt funds. So, we have a good pipeline for the year.

Vinay Lakhotia

Apart from that, SIF and GIFT City outbound funds are also in the pipeline in the H2 of this particular financial year.

Cleverbyte Capital

Okay. And can you also give me some light on we are losing our market share in the average AUM. So, anything on that? What steps are taken and by when can we see like we are at least not losing out?

So, I think what you see there is effectively the impact of the redemptions that are happening. As I mentioned in my earlier comments, where some of the larger strategies have had performance issues. I think that will turn around only once we start to see som e stronger, tailwinds from a performance standpoint. That's why I called out, we know that where we have strong performance, our share of flow tends to match our share of stock or even go higher than share of stock. But where we have redemptions then, your net sales number gets crowded out by what's happening in terms of gross. But just from a messaging point of view, we keep the team focused both on that gross number as well as that net number. And therefore, I think when we have slightly more favourable tailwinds on performance, that will take care of itself.

Jagannatham

Hi, thanks for the opportunity. And congratulations for great numbers because I think if I understand it right, be it in terms of revenue, operating profit, net profit, I think this is the best quarter UTI had produced. Congratulations to the team and to Vetri. Just one question, again connecting back to that buyback question considering the liquidity levels. In the previous con -call, you mentioned that while buyback is not on the cards, but you are keeping optionality from the M&A point of view. Would like to understand whether you are referring to you want to acquire or you are in the or the other way around. I mean, what is the thought process on that M&A that you mentioned in the previous quarter?

Yes. I mean, as a listed company, you always want to have the optionality to buy something if the price is right. So, and as an independent company, which as you know, if you look at our corporate structure, there is no promoter that UTI has. So, I think that that is important. Therefore, as a n independent company, we maintain some level of cash buffer within the company. And I think right now the industry is in a little bit of an expansion phase. But at some point, there will be opportunities to acquire bolt-on businesses. So, at that point, we need to have that. We can't at that time go looking for where will we get the cash to do some acquisition. So, I think any company which doesn't have the, at least a viewpoint that at the right price I will look to acquire and bolt on capability, then I would say you're not doing your job well. So certainly, at some point, we'd look to acquire. But it need not necessarily be only AMC. It could be in the alternatives space; it could be in the international space. So, we'll see.

Jagannatham

Okay, okay. And so, are you actively in talks with somebody or it's more of a passive market right now?

Jagannatham

Sure. Thank you.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Shailendra Mundra, an Individual Investor. Please go ahead. Mr. Mundra, your line is unmuted. Please ask your question. I'm sorry, sir. We are not able to hear you. Can you use your handset? We are still not able to hear you, sir. I am sorry sir; we are not able to hear you. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question. I now hand the call over to Mr. Vetri Subramaniam for closing comments. Over to you, sir.

Thank you. Thank you, everybody, for your participation on this call today and for all the questions that you had. And you know, Sandeep and Vinay and me, we are all happy to be able to have this opportunity to engage with all of you and look forward to doing this both during the quarter and obviously at the next quarterly results. Thank you and have a good evening.

Moderator

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining the call. In case of any queries, feel free to connect with Ad factors Investor Relations team. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.