Varroc Engineering Limited

FY2027 Q1

2026-08-06 Transcript PDF
Moderator

Thank you very much. We will now begin with the question -and-answer session. The first question comes from the line of Shubham from Investec.

Shubham

Congrats on great set of numbers. First question, you had reported an order win of about INR600 crores this quarter. Can you please provide the split between the 4 -wheeler lighting order and the e-mobility one?

Arjun Jain

Yes. So the bulk is e-mobility, which is a -- which is a volume expansion on our existing running programs. So I would imagine, I think two-third is e -mobility. And then the balance is a combination of 4-wheeler lighting. I would say the most significant portion of the balance is the 4-wheeler lighting business win. And then I would say different smaller business wins across product groups.

Shubham

And for your overseas order book, now there has been some reports of expected delay in launches by some overseas OEMs. So do you foresee a situation wherein you would face a delay in your order book execution?

Dhruv Jain

Just to answer this question, so we have reported some wins in past quarters, and it's really across multiple customers and multiple programs. So just to answer your question, our main message so far has been that we will be continuing to increase our revenue in our overseas locations. This will certainly still take place because we are not dependent on any one customer here.

Shubham

Also for your traction motor business, you had earlier indicated that you are in advanced discussions with an OEM other than Bajaj. When should we expect that order win to flow in?

Arjun Jain

So we've already announced one business win, which we will SOP begin immediately, I would imagine, in fact, in quarter 2. And then there is 2 further customers where I would say we are in fairly advanced discussion, where also I would expect SOPs to take place in this financial year.

Shubham

And also, so given the strong demand momentum that we are seeing across the automotive industry and more for the EV industry where we have a much higher content, how should we think about growth for Bajaj for the domestic business for this year, if you can put a number around it?

Arjun Jain

Honestly, it's difficult to -- I think it's difficult to predict a forward number, especially if we're talking about forward number for one particular customer. But of course, if EV penetration

continues to grow at the rate at which it has been growing, I would definitely imagine that our e-mobility business would gain further significance in our overall revenue. And hence, as a natural result of that, Bajaj would also become more salient than it is today in the overall revenue. But having said that, from an EV perspective, like we've just talked about, there is further customers also that we expect will come on board.

Shubham

Also, last one on margins. You mentioned about 50 bps of under recovery this quarter. Now how much of that you expect to recover from your customers going ahead? And how should we think about margins for the full year?

Mahendra Kumar

Yes. So the efforts are already underway. So we should be getting it between this quarter and next quarter, most of it.

Moderator

The next question comes from the line of Arvind Sharma from Citigroup.

Citigroup

The first question, which you again indicated already is on the e-mobility segment. Based on the order book that you have, how sustainable do you think the growth is because this quarter was a very strong quarter?

Arjun Jain

So I would say it's -- the order book is fundamentally strong, right? We are a primary supplier to essentially the market leader when you combine 2 -wheeler and 3 -wheeler. So from that perspective, I think growth fundamentally depends also on EV penetration, which is something that we see gaining momentum. Further to that, like we talked about, we have incremental customer gains also, which, in my mind, coupled with the fact that the content in an EV that we have is so high, I would imagine that, that growth really continues to take place.

Tarang Jain

And just to add to that, see, looking at the situation globally now due to this Iran war, we do see a very positive, maybe you can call it structurally a shift also in the consumer mindset to move towards EVs at least in the 2 and 3 -wheeler space. And of c ourse, the moment -- I mean, you see the main volumes are today more in the scooter segment, which is 20% to 30% of the market. But now we're looking at OEMs also looking at motorcycles now. So going forward, we do expect that even the motorcycle segment will see EV penetration as we move forward. And we being one of the very significant players in this EV powertrain segment, I think we stand to gain from it going forward.

Citigroup

Sir, the other question would be on the electronics Romania segment. You've given a separate slide on it. Could you please share the key customer segment? And we don't have a previous quarter or previous period revenue. How is the revenue trending there? What are the key drivers? Electronics Romania segment.

Bikash Dugar

Yes. So Bikash this side, Arvind. So earlier, our Romania location used to support was the captive for lighting business. So that was clubbed under the lighting revenue. But now since we are doing more related to E/E architecture, so that's why -- and the business which we have won

is towards those only. So that's why we have segregated that. And the growth in that Romania business is going to grow. So because of that, we are showing that separately now.

Citigroup

Who would be the key customers out there?

Dhruv Jain

So maybe I'll try to answer this one. So basically, our Romania electronics plant is focused on passenger vehicle electronics. And as Bikash mentioned, the focus is on a variety of low voltage and high-voltage electronics, and we've already announced some order wins in past quarters, and we believe this will continue.

Citigroup

I have a very small data query. When I look at the revenue breakdown that you have in Slide 13, I believe the overseas forging, which is 3.3%, that is a part of the ICE powertrain business when we move down and you have the actual numbers?

Bikash Dugar

Yes. That's right. That's correct.

Moderator

The next question comes from the line of Rahul Kumar from Vaikarya Fund.

Vaikarya Fund

You briefly discussed about this, but can you tell us the progress on the top 3 EV player discussion?

Arjun Jain

So, I would say there is a top 3 in 2 -wheeler and also the top 3 in 3-wheeler. So today, we are essentially engaged in terms of business relationship with each of the 3, right? We've also been able to win business not necessarily for e -powertrain, but for other product lines with another one of these top 3 players. So really, I think across the board, I think the engagement with the market leaders here has been extremely strong, and we expect that, that will convert into more significant revenue, like I said, through the financial year.

Vaikarya Fund

Now actually, I meant -- I think in the last con call, actually, we had discussed about the progress on the 2-wheeler EV side for the EV powertrain products. So on that, we had mentioned that we are in advanced stage with one of the top 3. So do we understand that we are now in discussion with both the top 3 players?

Arjun Jain

Yes. So again, I will repeat, right? With one of them, we are in discussion for the e-powertrain. With another one of them, we've already won business for another technology product, which we have declared in Q1.

Vaikarya Fund

And the SOP, which is starting in Q2, this is with another EV player, right? Am I right in understanding?

Arjun Jain

Yes. But it's another EV player with investment from an extremely significant global OEM.

Vaikarya Fund

Second question is on the overseas actually. I think there was one project which is expected to start from H2 of this fiscal. So are we on track for that? And given the second question is on the overseas again, given the robust business we have done so far, the progress which we have done. So do we expect the breakeven for the overseas earlier versus the previous guidance of Q4?

Mahendra Kumar

So maybe just to clarify the second question. So the second question, I believe that our message stays the same. So we are not changing our message from the past. And regarding the first question in terms of the launch that you're mentioning in midyear thi s year. So we've already had a few new launches this year in our Romania electronics location. I believe that's the one that you are referring to. And this is also why we have seen an increase in revenue quarter -on-quarter in our business overseas. And this will continue to increase in subsequent quarters. So basically, it's progressing well.

Moderator

The next question comes from the line of Siddhant Dand from Goodwill.

Our largest customer has taken over a global OEM KTM. So is there any potential for business over there that we have gotten any inquiries?

Arjun Jain

Yes, of course. So we already do -- even prior to this, we did a fair amount of direct business with KTM. And post this, I would say, more complete takeover, there is incremental opportunities that arise in line with the strategy that Bajaj Auto follows with KTM now. So yes, there's definitely a couple of immediate opportunities, and we hope over time, this translates to more.

Arjun Jain

It's too early to quantify because-- it's too early to quantify because KTM is a brand with a very high SKU mix, right? So you go at this really step by step in terms of how you grow in there.

Moderator

The next question comes from the line of Naman Maheshwari from Shanghvi Family Office.

Shanghvi Family Office

Congrats on a very robust set of numbers, and I hope this trend continues sustainably. Just 2 quick questions more from a forward-looking point of view. We onboard Mr. Eric. So now how does the strategy change with him coming on Board? Are there some new avenues that we are looking to come in basically into e-powertrain or would it focus more on ADAS? And if you could throw some light that what sort of a market are we trying to chase and how to look at customer wins happen? I know it's not going to happen overnight, but how do you see that from a structural point of view for the company? I think it's a very important and a very good appointment. So how does it move the needle or help. So that's one question.

Arjun Jain

Yes. So I would say the strategy does not necessarily change. I think Eric comes on board and I think really complements with his experience, the path that we have set out for ourselves. Eric has a vast experience with e-powertrain, and this is also where when it comes to 2 and 3-wheeler EV, I would say really we are e-powertrain market leader. So from that perspective, I think strengthening our position in this core segment, which as we see also is an extremely high-growth segment, I would say, is a critical priority. Of course, as a part of the road map, we look to expand this capability into other market segments. And I would say Eric would definitely -- Eric definitely comes with the experience to really lend to that.

So whether it is in terms of addressing higher voltage systems, whether it is in terms of addressing, let's say, really more X-in-1 kind of concepts, we believe this is where the market is moving towards. We believe we have the core capabilities required t o execute it. And I think with Eric, I think we also achieved the experience of having seen and done that. So yes, like you, we are also very excited by the appointment. So yes.

Shanghvi Family Office

And sir, just one more part on the order wins, right? We see a good traction coming on. So how do we look at new engagements that are taking place, right? There are some new OEMs which have set up their shop in India in the EV system like VinFast and everyone. So do you see that incrementally we can get in that supply chain also and we are also having a very large expansion plan so we could be part of it. So just wanted some thoughts on that?

Arjun Jain

Yes, of course. And with, let's say, the customers you name and also the customers you allude to, we're already engaged, and we would expect to see some action in those spaces.

Moderator

The next question comes from the line of Jyoti Singh from Haitong.

Congrats on the beat on the revenue side. So first question on the revenue as well, like it's nearly 2x that we have delivered and we have guided mid - to high teens for '27. So this is the first quarter we have delivered this kind of growth. So what kind o f expectation we can build going forward?

Tarang Jain

I think that this year seems to be very strong for us. And though we have grown 30% this quarter, we do believe that probably for the whole year, we could be achieving about at least between a 20% to 25% growth in this financial year, looking at how things are moving at the moment. So that would be our expectation because the second half last year was fairly good. So considering that, I think 20% to 25% would be the right level of growth we would be achieving this year.

Mahendra Kumar

We don't take it as a guidance, but it's more like our ambition.

And sir, also, like earlier participant was asking a question around VinFast and other player. So can you guide us any new client that we have in panel or any other that it is in the pipeline so that we are seeing the visibility for even FY28?

Arjun Jain

I think especially in any new customer engagement, I think we generally cannot talk about that before there is actual certification of SOP. But having said that, right, I think it is clear there is entrants. It is clear there are people entering the market. It is clear also that existing incumbents in the market are looking to build more vehicles also for export. So wherever those opportunities are, we will look to participate.

Tarang Jain

And we've already won some business from new customers also in this year. But the thing is that we cannot disclose the names at the moment. But we are engaged. And definitely, one of the objectives is to get in new customers also, not just rely on existing customers who are very important to us. But yes, we are expanding our customer base also in India as well as abroad.

So sir, going forward, we are targeting diversification of the customer and some certain percentage that we are targeting from each customer or Bajaj will be continue a major customer for Varroc?

Arjun Jain

And we said this before, but I would say our path is not necessarily a customer diversification strategy. I think our path forward is really a product line -- a product line and competence-driven strategy. So there is clear product lines where we look to d rive growth and where we look to drive focus. And as those materialize, I think it really depends on how the end customers also perform in the market, which determines the customer mix for us.

Tarang Jain

Yes. But the point here is that like we have said before that the Bajaj Auto continues to remain a very important customer for us and will be always. But having said that, I think we are actually kind of also kind of growing with quite a few other customer s. So going forward, you will see that increased revenues coming in from many other customers also, not just from Bajaj.

And sir, just last question on the order book side, like this time, we have a major win around 70% -- 72% from the EV side versus ICE was 28%. So we are going to see this kind of revenue shift on the segmental side keep getting like I understand we are 95% powertrain agnostic. So we are seeing much demand from the EV side and as well as on ICE or how it is going on?

Arjun Jain

So I think there's a few different questions in there. Firstly, I would say we are not 95% powertrain agnostic. In fact, I would say where we're I think only around 70% powertrain agnostic. The balance comes from our ICE powertrain, e-powertrain business. But yes, I think like we said earlier also during this call, we expect the balance to move more towards EV product, really driven by the fact that EV penetration is increasing, right? So this does not mean that ICE is declining in absolute terms, but it means that in terms of the percentage of our growth, we would expect more to come from.

Moderator

The next question comes from the line of Ankur Poddar from Svan Investments.

Svan Investments

Congrats on a good set of numbers. My question is regarding our overseas business. Firstly, can you let us throw some light on how the order wins do we see going forward? And secondly is on our margins, we see that the losses have come down. So by when do we expect to breakeven in terms of EBITDA as well as on PBT? And what do we see steady -state margins going forward?

Mahendra Kumar

Yes. So to the first question regarding what we're projecting in the future as order wins -- so I'll just say again that when it comes to the past year, I believe we have mentioned certain significant order wins. And certainly, we are expecting to see this also in the future. So in subsequent quarters, we believe we will be mentioning certain significant order wins, both in the electronics as well as in the lighting space overseas. Yes. So as far as the margins are concerned, previously also, we explained in 2 -wheeler, we already make money. We are on the positive side already, 2-wheeler overseas. Only in Romania, we have been having challenges. So earlier also, we explained that by end of this year or by Q4.

In Romania, we will reach EBITDA breakeven. Coming to the overall guidance, we generally go by PBT targets. Our long-term strategy is to take it to 10% PBT in the next 3 to 4 years.

Moderator

The next question comes from the line of Mihir Vora from Equirus Securities.

Equirus Securities

So sir, my question was basically on the EV powertrain products. Here, if you see the revenue grew around 56%-odd on a year -on-year basis. But if you see the industry volume growth has been in the range of 80% to 90 %-odd kind of range. So sir, just breaking it into what kind of ASP decline are we seeing because of the sales increasing and throw some light here whether what is happening in terms of volume growth and ASP growth.

Arjun Jain

Yes. So I would say -- I would say a couple of things here. I think, one, definitely, I think ASPs have declined. But I would say this is really driven by improvement in the product composition. Honestly, I don't know the exact number on the top of my head versus the comparable period, but I would imagine maybe high single-digit kind of decline in ASPs. The second topic also that we have here is especially through the early part of the quarter due to labor challenges, both in our own plants and also in our -- and also in our supply chain, we were definitely challenged for April and also maybe a little bit of May, but that is now really fully recovered. So I think that has also probably contributed -- that has also probably contributed a slightly lower number over there.

Equirus Securities

And just a follow-up here, sir, that going ahead, we know EV volumes are expected to grow at a good 30%, 35% kind of a CAGR for next 5 years. But here, given the volumes increasing, what kind of ASP because of product engineering or because OEMs also will be pressurizing you in terms of reducing the cost or some sort of stuff. So, in terms of this, what could be a sort of a trajectory year wherein I definitely think revenue growth will not align with the volumes, but some color on how the OEM contracts happen or in terms of the costing of the product?

Arjun Jain

I mean, you ask me, I don't think OEMs anymore are really insecure about what is the cost of their product. I think there's a fair amount of work that has gone in over the last 5 years to really bring product to a far more cost optimal level. Now of course, there will be -- there is always scope for improvement and opportunities for improvement, and I think that will continue to happen. But I don't expect -- I mean, I wouldn't expect some very material change in terms of what -- when I say mate rial, I mean, I wouldn't expect double-digit changes in ASPs that will take place. In fact, I think potentially the opportunity for us is really comes through, let's say, more integration of components into smaller boxes. And that's actually an ASP increase opportunity. So I think the end answer will be a balance in between both somewhere. So I don't -- so to cut it short, there's a few different trends running, but I wouldn't expect significant ASP decreases taking place.

Equirus Securities

Sir, lastly, given the speed at which the electric vehicle growth is increasing right now, so what would be the capex strategy here? Are we increasing the allocation here, some color on that?

Arjun Jain

Yes. So this year, we will definitely see significant -- this year, we will definitely see higher capex expenditure than what we've seen over the last 2, 3 years. And a large portion of that is, yes, in terms of our e-mobility capacity expansion and also capacity expansion to service the EV models that we are supplying to even with our engine-agnostic product.

Mahendra Kumar

And that's the reason we front-loaded also the capex.

Equirus Securities

All right. So can you quantify the capex guidance for this year and next year?

Mahendra Kumar

It will be INR500 crores to INR550 crores in that range. This includes both India and overseas.

Moderator

The next question comes from the line of Aditya Jhawar from Investec.

Congrats on great set of numbers. My first question is on our customer split. So while we understand that Bajaj volume has grown the content in Bajaj has also grown for us. How should we assess our progress in other OEMs? In the past, you had mentioned that there is a possibility of further acquisition of land to support Japanese OEM and South India OEM. How should we assess our progress both in ICE as well as EV powertrain products in non-Bajaj?

Arjun Jain

So there is definitely -- I think if you look at the progression of our order book, there is definitely a very large amount of outside of Bajaj Auto business wins that have taken place. And even today, we see -- I think also given the fact that the market is growing, even today, we see significant demand for product lines across our product categories taking place outside of Bajaj Auto as well. Having said that, I would definitely say given the content we have in EVs and given the fact that we are a primary source at Bajaj Auto for EV and the growth rate of EV. I would expect that the absolute revenue there also would continue to grow and grow fa irly quickly. So where we end up as a percentage, honestly hard to predict past a point. But yes, I would -- I mean, the expectation is that we grow whether with Bajaj Auto, whether outside of Bajaj Auto.

But if you can help us understand that the number of products you are supplying to Japanese OEM and there the share of business of went from A to B. Some quantification and is there a necessity of setting up a manufacturing facility in Southern India for s upporting these. So any quantification you can do in terms of number of products or how we have grown in few OEMs, whether Japanese or the South India or the new OEMs that we have entered, some quantification would be helpful as well?

Arjun Jain

I think the simplest quantification I could probably give you right now is in terms of maybe what we've done in Q1, right, where if we look at our India business, we've grown, let's say, I think, 30% and we've seen the phenomenal growth in e-mobility, but I would not say that our customer mix percentage has really changed too dramatically, right? So I think the easiest way to put it is we're growing fast, but we're growing fast in Bajaj Auto, but also outside of Bajaj Auto.

My second question is on margin. Now when we look at EV business. Now it has come to a scale where possibly we can assume or you can correct me that the margin could be sustainable. So how different are EV margins versus ICE margin? And considering you have a strong line of sight with the customers considering the pricing dynamics that are expected to play out when customers come down the pricing curve on EV, how should we expect the margin trajectory to change?

Arjun Jain

So again, I would say from a pricing and margin standpoint, right, I think the right metric to look at is not necessarily EBITDA because EBITDA even within different product lines we do for ICE is very different based on the capital intensity of the product, right? But really, I would say at a PBT level, I would imagine today, ICE is really EV to be comparable because ultimately, again, we've talked about this before, but ultimately, pricing even for an EV needs to be sustainable and OEMs recognize that because otherwise, how do you drive capacity increases in a growing market.

Final question for Tarang. Tarang, looking at our balance sheet has significantly improved over a period of time. Now clearly, possibly we can become net cash next year. So keeping that in backdrop, are we considering expanding into new growth avenues, loo king at inorganic opportunities? What are the areas that we are considering to expand inorganically?

Tarang Jain

See, inorganically, honestly, we would be more keen on either it could be electronics or e - powertrain, these areas and also in the area of aftermarket. Aftermarket also, we are experiencing a strong growth. So -- and I would say more on the 4-wheeler or the exports front. So aftermarket, we are more keen over there if we get an opportunity with the right company. And otherwise, we are very keen, of course, of any acquisition opportunity or a joint venture where it comes to e-powertrain or the kind of electronics where -- which could be for e-power - - it could be e-electronics or it could be also other electronics where we are playing even for the ICE engine. So it all depends where there could be some customer acquisition also. And yes, exports focus is definitely there. When we're making an acquisition, we should be able to get also into some export markets. So this would be critical for us. But that is only -- I mean, that's something we are very open to whether JVs in India or it could be some acquisitions where there's an exp ort opportunity in these areas. But what we see also is a lot of opportunities on organic growth, whether it's in India or our plants abroad. So we'll be focusing on because nowadays it's pretty expensive also to go in for acquisitions. It's pretty expensive. But you're already looking at a 20%, 25% growth organically, then we have to like see whether inorganic makes sense. So we'll have to weigh have a balancing approach. We'll only go for something inorganic, which makes some sense financially where we can see that exponentially grow that already existing business to a good level. So unless that is there, we will not go into any inorganic. Organic, definitely, there is a strong focus to grow strongly year- on-year.

Yes. And largely, acquisitions would be in India?

Tarang Jain

Yes, yes. We are interested largely in acquisitions in India.

Yes. Final question to MK. Sir, you used to give us some PBT margin kind of a number that we can expect by end of the year. Any sense you can give on that front?

Mahendra Kumar

Yes, we don't give that kind of guidance, but we have this medium term to medium -term target of touching 10% soon. So that one holds good. You can extrapolate based on the current performance.

Moderator

The next question comes from the line of Neha Garg from Zenflow Finance.

ZenFlow Finance

Sir, my question is on the working capital, you have mentioned that it has increased. So has there any change in the receivable days from OEM customers or it's mainly from the inventory side?

Mahendra Kumar

Yes. there is no change receivable days. Yes, inventory went up to some extent, largely in preparation to the peak season, which is coming up. Second thing is the war -related recoveries, which we just spoke about. So they need to be now converted into invoices and they need to be collected. So it's a temporary increase which we see because of that.

ZenFlow Finance

And sir, earlier you have guided that the compa ny is going to achieve a zero debt in FY28. I mean so with the debt increase, so is the target being still -- I mean, can you see that it will still be pulled a little?

Mahendra Kumar

We'll stay with that for now. But yes, we will always try to do it as soon as possible.

ZenFlow Finance

And sir, can you please just specify what -- I mean, if you can -- how much like INR360 crores that you have spent so far. So can you just split -- where have you spent like new capacities or any new EV lines? Can you specify.

Mahendra Kumar

INR350 crores, you're talking about last year?

ZenFlow Finance

No, the debt that has been increased due to capex, INR316 crores.

Mahendra Kumar

No, no, no. Yes, it's not entirely because of capex spending. So capex during quarter 1 was about INR160 crores. Most of it went into the capacity increases. Moreover, the debt increase is INR 316 million and not Crore.

Moderator

The next question comes from the line of Apurva Mehta from AM Investment.

AM Investment

Congratulations on a good set of numbers. Just wanted to know your next 2, 3 years of overseas, how do you make overseas turnover? And can you just split the margins of how can the margins directionally be in Romania kind of thing and the 2-wheeler, which we are profitable, but on the Thailand 4-wheeler lighting.

And where do we see this journey happening in next 2, 3 years? What kind of orders we are bidding are larger orders we are bidding going ahead or just we can get some sense how big this overseas business can become?

Dhruv Jain

Yes. So I'll try to answer your question. So if you compare to last year, we believe that this year, the -- our revenue in the overseas business can and I'm sure I'm referring to the overseas electronics and lighting business. This can be double. So this is something that we can say. In terms of, let's say, if you talk about, let's say, margins, here, I believe our CFO already mentioned that in 3 to 4 years, yes, we are targeting also to get to a 10% PBT number in our overseas business. So that's what we can say as of right now. In terms of what our strategy is for overseas, here, of course, the focus is on electronics, particularly on the passenger vehicle side. And also on lighting, this will be both for passenger car as well as for 2-wheelers. And where we're expecting the biggest growth is going to be when it comes to passenger car electronics and passenger car lighting. When in terms of why do we feel this will happen, it's mainly because in passenger car electronics today, there is a big chan ge in the evolution in the electronics architecture. There's a lot more electronic content in vehicles, both when it comes to high-voltage parts more to do with the of course, the electric powertrain or low -voltage parts such as body cont rollers, ADAS, infotainment, etc. This is a space that we are trying to play in. We've already announced certain large orders in past quarters, and we believe this will continue. We're not giving you an exact number right now in terms of how big this business can become in the next 3 to 4 years. But certainly, we're expecting to grow significantly compared to where we are today.

AM Investment

But what kind of aspiration we have by FY30 this number can be can be close to INR3,000 crores, INR4,000 crores kind of thing or just a ballpark number?

Mahendra Kumar

I think our CMD also explained earlier that by FY31, our intention is to double our overall revenue to INR20,000 crores from around INR10,000 crores that we do this year.

AM Investment

Yes. But in that overseas would be how much.

Mahendra Kumar

Yes, I'm coming to that. 20% would be overseas, 80% would be India.

AM Investment

And this quarter, we had tooling revenues, what's the revenue of tooling revenues this quarter?

Mahendra Kumar

About INR70 crores.

AM Investment

And that impacted 0.8% of your margins?

Mahendra Kumar

Correct.

Mahendra Kumar

No, no, no. 0.8% on the overall impact. compared to the normal business, there is a significant lower margin, which we may come to because this is basically to generate revenue in the future. So these are like onetime things which come every now and then in 1 or 2 quarters.

AM Investment

But ballpark, the 12% margin, which normally we do in the India business is likely that Q2, we can see that coming?

Mahendra Kumar

Yes, it has basically a couple of parts. The one -timers like tools and all, of course, should not come to this extent in the subsequent quarters or at least in Q2. But there are things like the inflation recovery, which is more like an arithmetical impact because the same number goes up in numerator and denominator. So to recover that this advantage, it may take maybe 1 or 2 quarters. But otherwise, the other impacts, we should be able to see a recovery in Q2, most of it in Q2.

AM Investment

Sir, one request is there, why can't we provide a breakup of number of clients which we are only showing Bajaj and rest of Bajaj. Is there anything which is most of the auto ancillary if you see, they would be showing us the kind of client breakup there. And this would help us to know that how the pie is moving. This becomes very difficult for us to judge that where the pie is moving, which client we are concentrating, which client we are gaining market share or something like that. It would be really helpful?

Mahendra Kumar

We'll look into that.

Moderator

The next question comes from the line of Naman Maheshwari from Shanghvi Family Office.

Shanghvi Family Office

The balance sheet was -- the annual report was very well articulated, right? It definitely gives a direction of INR20,000 crores ballpark revenue right in FY31. That number just wanted clarification that is solely based on the current product profile and the organic business growth, correct? Any inorganic would be on top of this? Is that the right understanding?

Mahendra Kumar

No, there will be about maybe 10% of that, which will come from inorganic route also. And maybe something from non-auto.

Shanghvi Family Office

So if I understand, just join the connect the dots together. So 10% PBT at a INR20,000 crores revenue FY31 is probably the management vision to grow, right? In a nutshell. And we'll invest for preparing for FY31 revenue, the order book has to get built probably say by FY28, FY29, right? Is that the right understanding? A large extent. So that means that we are working in that direction to fill up the order book and we are that close to the customers that we will be able to fill up and deliver on this guidance. So in a nutshell, what I'm trying to imply is that there is a very solid customer relationship that's getting built right now, and we are getting the righ t traction from the targeted clientele. Is that the right implication of all of these things?

Mahendra Kumar

Yes, that's true, but it also includes the organic growth on the existing business also.

Vaikarya Fund

Just data question, out of this EV revenue of 16%, which we have disclosed, how much is that from Bajaj and how much is that non-Bajaj. And what was it last quarter?

Arjun Jain

Yes. So I would imagine 3 quarters would be from Bajaj Auto. And honestly, last quarter, I will not know at the top of my head, but I would imagine a similar -ish kind of pattern, right, a few percentage points here.

Moderator

As there are no further questions, I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for closing comments. Thank you, and over to you. Yes.

Tarang Jain

Thank you, everyone. I would like to again reiterate that the journey ahead is filled with opportunity backed by strong capabilities, strategic clarity and the passion of our people. We are confident of achieving our aspirations while creating lasting valu e for every stakeholder associated with Varroc. Thanks again for joining the call and for your continuing support.

Moderator

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