Vedanta Limited

FY2025 Q3

2025-01-31 Transcript PDF
Moderator

Thank you very much , sir. We will now begin with the question and answer session . Anyone who wishes to ask questions may press star and one on the ir touchstone phone. If you wish to withdraw yourself from the question que ue, you may press st ar and two. Participants are requested to use only handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. The first question is from the line of Amit Lahoti from Emkay Global Financial Services. Please go ahead.

Emkay Global Financial Services

Thanks for the opportunity and congratulations on these numbers. My first question is on Bauxite and Coal mines commissioning timelines that were given last quarter. So, the question is, do they still hold? Or is there any change?

Arun Misra

So, Bauxite and commissioning, so they still hold. We are looking at FY '26, some in Quarter 3, some in quarter 4, yes.

Emkay Global Financial Services

So, in the last quarter it was Q1 for the Sijimali Bauxite Mine. So, is it changing?

Arun Misra

Yes, Q1 of next fiscal.

Emkay Global Financial Services

Yes, Q1 of FY '26. Correct.

Emkay Global Financial Services

So, my second question is that we have reported hot metal cost ex -alumina is $900, which the company has highlighted that it is lowest in the last three years. So, what has contributed to this benefit in Q3, one, and then are there enough levers with us to reduce it to even lower levels in the coming quarters?

Ajay Goel

We have Aluminum team on the call , Mr. Anup Agarwal and Sunil Gupta. Anup, would you please address this question?

Anup Agarwal

Yes, thanks, Ajay. So, Amit, to your question, if you recall last time also I had covered that in power due to increased materialization, better GCV and the better plant PL F, the cost will progressively come down in the next two quarters and we had also indicated a number of $40- $50. And you can see that of it, $25 has come down in Quarter 3. Another $20-$25 we believe will come down in quarter 4. And to your question whether we have a further lever, I can say that the lever maybe to an extent of $100. Maybe $30-$40 will come out of the operating efficiencies and the balance will come as and when we ramp up our captive coal blocks.

Emkay Global Financial Services

Okay, thank you. Very clear.

Anup Agarwal

I hope that answers your question.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Amit Dixit from ICICI Securities. Please go ahead.

ICICI Securities

Yes, hi. Good evening, everyone. And thanks for the opportunity. First of all, congratulations for a very good set of numbers in a very challenging quarter. I have two questions. The first one is on oil and gas. So , while I understand that the ASP injection is in progress, we have been taking a lot of initiative from that front. But still, we see a secular one -way decline in oil production. Just wanted to understand when this decline will be arrested, and we can see actually a bump up in production.

Ajay Goel

We have got Oil and Gas CFO, Hitesh was in the line. Hitesh?

Hitesh Vaid

Hi, good evening. You know, from an oil and gas field point of view, our current production is primarily from the discoveries which we made long time back. And, you know, as it happens in this industry that these fields start maturing and declining. And obviously, you know, our job is to manage this decline through good reservoir management practices, which we have been trying to do. One of the drivers for us to, you know, arrest this decline materially and move up the curve is of course the benefit which ASP injection will help us. That project is happening and in the first half of FY '2 6, we will start the injection into the larger part of the field, and we will start realizing the benefit. But in terms of near -term volume acceleration, what we are trying to do is work on infill opportunities in our existing field and try to manage that decline. So , that is the objective , twofold. One is to accelerate that ASP injection process so that we can correct the decline and move the curve upward. And second is how do we bring in more infill wells to manage our current decline. And of course, as we had said earlier as well, that beyond this, what we are also trying to do is, you know, build a larger portfolio so that we have additional opportunities through which the volume can come in. So, for example, our OALP block, which is the Jaya Field, is currently producing around 3,000 to 4,000 barrels that is what and which gives us extra cash per barrel. We are going to drill a couple of more wells in the same block in 2- 2.5 months' time and that will give us a near term volume opportunity and beyond that , of course, Northeast where we are doing exploration. At least the well which we are doing now has given us positive results and we hope to make that work. And the other part, which is the bigger part in our piece, is the deepwater block where we have just started the survey also. The contract has been awarded and by May we should be ready with our drilling plan to start next year. So, that is the broad plan of how we are trying to manage the current production as well as what we are doing to have an uptick in volume going forward in the next financial year.

ICICI Securities

Thanks, Hitesh. Very elaborate answer. So, what it means is that in H2 FY '26 maybe we can see the production bumping up if all these initiatives and steps go in the right direction. Will it be a reasonable assumption?

Hitesh Vaid

The way I will interpret is that for H2, we will see the benefit, the larger chunk benefit from the ASP injection which we have already invested money and are doing a small injection as well as of now. But from now to the next six months, we are doing a lot of infill wells for which the approval was there and those wells are also starting to come online. So , we will start seeing incremental volumes from them which will arrest our decline and have a stable volume going forward.

ICICI Securities

Okay, got it. The second question is on Zin c International. Now, massive improvement in cost, something that we have not seen in Zinc India as well. But of course, the scope to improve and to scale much more in international. So, I just wanted to understand how much of this decline is sustainable because it is much beyond your own guidance. So, what are the key drivers behind it? And how much of it is sustainable going forward?

Ajay Goel

Requesting Chris to address this, and also in case, Chris, you want to give the bigger picture for overall base metal and KCM.

Chris Griffith

Okay, Ajay, thanks. Thanks for the question. I think we had a really spectacular 3rd Quarter in terms of costs. I think that's probably a little bit better than we are expecting to do. And my expectation is that we should see the cost range between $1,200 and $1,300. So, that's massively down from the $1,600, $1,700 a ton that we were seeing earlier on in the year. So, this is perhaps a little bit better than we would expect going forward, but what we have been seeing is a sustainable increase in the volume from ZI. So, we are going through a particular weak patch last year and this year. As we needed to increase the amount of stripping, we had some geotechnical challenges. We needed to push back the one wall of the one pit. We had very, very constrained areas in the remaining pit, in the second pit that we were going through, old underground workings. So, all those challenges, I think we have largely worked themselves through. We have increased the stripping, just to give you an example, from the beginning of this financial year, we were stripping at about 4.5 million tons per month. We have just hit two months in a row at 8 million tons a month. So , that's the rate that we require for both of the Phase-1 and Phase-2. So, I think we are finally starting to get ourselves into a much more sustainable position. This next year that we see, so we will definitely see another uptick again in the 4th Quarter. And then in the year of '26, we are going to see another much more sustainable performance from ZI. So, what you should see is overall lower cost than we have been seen, but perhaps not quite as good as the 1,100. And as I said, I think the range should be in about 1 ,200 to 1,300. And then as Arun said in the introductory session, what we will see is that the end of this financial year, so at the very end of '25, we will see the completion of Phase-2, and then in the first quarter of next year, so the end of the Financial Year ‘26, we will have ramped up the production. So, the 2027, then we see production from both Phase-1 and Phase-2. So, overall, we are expecting to see continued improvement and much better results from ZI going forward. And then Ajay, just to check while I am speaking, would you like me just to talk a little bit about KCM here?

Ajay Goel

Yes, please.

Chris Griffith

Okay, folks, while I am chatting, I will just give you a little bit of an update. You will recall that we started production in September after having got the asset back. That was just sort of getting going. So, we only had a very, very small production in September. But then from Q3, we ramped up to sort of about 8 kilo tons of copper a month. And in the next quarter, we are going to be ramping up further. From this month, we should do about 10, ramping up to about 15 . So, already, after just six months of production, we are going to be at a run rate of 160 to 175 kilo tons of copper. So, that's almost at the run rate that we were before the business went into liquidation . So, in this coming year, we should see a much better performance . So, we are going to deliver about 60 kilo tons of copper in the six months. And then what you should see next year, I reckon, in the region of 150 to 200. So, we will give you proper guidance, of course, at the end of the year. The KCM is ramping up very nicely. Of course, in the beginning, it's going through all the teething problems of five years of liquidation. We have got quite a bit of sort of normal maintenance and fixed up capital that you would expect after that kind of time frame of being in liquidation. All of that is planned. The fundraising process is well underway. So, I think we are very well positioned for this coming year to be in a fantastic position to deliver, as I mentioned, very solid performance from KCM on this amazing copper asset. Just to remind you, I mean, KDMP is 3.5% copper. We have got 50 years’ worth of life at 300 kilotons of copper. So, the primary integrated, our own production is ramping up nicely, custom with very low treatment charges. So, we are sort of a bit of, we will manage that as we go along, because of course we don't just want to chase a copper production number and lose money as a result. So, custom, we will see how that goes with our integrated production starting to deliver very nice numbers and next year should be a fantastic year for us. Thanks, I will pause there. Ajay?

ICICI Securities

So, did I hear you right? When…

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ashish K ejriwal from Nuvama Wealth Management. Please go ahead.

Ashish Kejriwal

Hi, thanks for the opportunity and congratulations to the entire ma nagement team basically to manage your aluminum operations well as well as debt situation of Vedanta Resources, a parent company. Kudos to you guys. Sir, my two questions, one obviously on alumina, last quarter we said that we were operating at a 3 million ton run rate. So, what went wrong? Because we end up with 2 million ton run rate entire quarter, so what went wrong and where we are currently ? And is it possible to guide how much we can produce in Q4 or FY '26? That's my first question.

Ajay Goel

We will request Sunil Gupta and Anup to address this, please.

Anup Agarwal

Ajay, thank you, Ajay and let me address this. So, Ashish, to your question, you are right. Last time we said and let me reiterate, from a technical capacity point of view, we tell the run rate of 3 MTPA of multiple instances during Quarter 3. Okay. However, having said that, the same could not be sustained throughout due to unplanned shutdowns and infra handling and Arunji covered that. Now going forward, we believe that most of the issues are behind us or will get addressed in, say, a month or two. Now, if you were to ask me Quarter 1, where we will be, I think with confidence we can say that at least 60-65% of our requirement will be met through captive sources. Quarter 4 maybe, will be higher compared to Quarter 3. If I were to give a number, can be anywhere between 10 to 15%. Now, having said that, I would also like to cover the bigger picture. As you know that Train 1, as I said, we will be closer to 3 million tons per annum or the rated capacity as we exit this year. Quarter 2, we will start commissioning in quarter 4 of this year. And taking from the learning that we have had during the commissioning of Train 1, we believe next year, at least 70% of our requirement, we should be able to address through our captive alumina production, Ashish.

Ashish Kejriwal

Sure. Thank you so much, sir. That's very helpful. The second question is on International Zinc. What we heard is that in Jan, we were operating at 18,000 tons per month. And obviously, as you mentioned, that it's going to ramp up further because we have seen many times lots of issues going over there, and because o f which our production fluctuates . So, are we seeing that now these sort of issues are behind us and at least we can do 18-20,000 tons per month going forward? And when the 2nd Phase of expansion is going to be commissioned, are we seeing any volumes coming in for the 2nd Phase in FY '26?

Arun Misra

Requesting Chris to address, please.

Chris Griffith

Okay. So, I will just mention some of the points that I made earlier, is that we have made significant progress in addressing the challenges that were hampering us, and those were, just to recap, a historical under-stripping, a number of geotechnical issues which forced us to actually stop one of the two pits and push back the whole wall, that process will still be taking the whole of this coming year, the whole of '26 to complete. Because we stopped one of the two pits, we only had the one pit. We are delivering volume out of one of the two pits. So, we are getting ourselves into a much more sustainable position. We also were mining through historical underground workings. So , the one pit of the two that we had was work going through underground holes that made it very difficult to have open -pit mining. Now, I mentioned that we have made substantial progress with mine through those underground workings. We still only have one pit available. And during the course of '26, we get ourselves into a position where we start getting two pits producing. So, now I think '26 will still be a fairly challenging year for us, but we should see a substantial increase in the production from ZI . So, we should do somewhere between 160 and 180 kilotons of production this year. And next year, this is not our guidance. We will give official guidance at the end of the year, but we will see somewhere between sort of 240, 250 kilo tons of production from Gamsberg and Black Mountain next year. So, a very substantial pickup in production, over 20, 25% next year. But what we won't see is any of the production because we only finished the Phase-2 plant at the end of the Financial Year ‘26. So, you will see both Phase-1 and Phase-2 delivering in 2027. So, next year, to summaries all of that, much better production. We have worked ourselves through most of the problems. We had the run rate of stripping, I mentioned, 8.5 million tons per month is double what we were started at the beginning of the year, 4.5. So again, we are stripping at the rate now that we need for both plants. So , we have got a little bit of catch up to do, and we will see that catching up during the course of 2026. So, I would say that 2026, most of the problems are worked through, but we are still going to be, I think, fairly tight. And under those circumstances, if anything goes wrong, then it does impact you. But we are going to be in a much better position next year, and then from 2027 onwards, you are going to see ZI in a fantastic position and then it will be generating cash flow that I think you will be proud of. Thanks.

Ashish Kejriwal

That's great, Chris. Thank you so much and all the best.

Chris Griffith

Thank you.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ritesh Shah from Investec. Please go ahead.

Investec

Hi, thanks for the opportunity and congratulations for a great refi. First question was on capital allocation. I think Chris made a comment on TCRC and he also indicated looking at integrated production. So, just wanted to have some thoughts on whether it's with respect to the M oU in Saudi Arabia, $2 billion. Will it be at Vedanta India level or at VRL level? How should we look into that?

Ajay Goel

Ritesh, could you please paraphrase your question? So, is the question that will KCM be part of, structurally part of Vedanta Limited?

Investec

No, Vedanta Copper basically we have signed a MoU with Saudi Arabia to invest $2 billion. It's for an integrated smelter refinery. So , wanted to understand what the status of this particular project is and whether it will fall at Vedanta India or at VRL level.

Arun Misra

Project with the Saudi Arabia, only let the concepts be fully even frozen, then we decide the structure and the investment strategy around it.

Investec

Right. But do we have clarity that we may add…

Ajay Goel

Yes, from a structuring viewpoint, it is a part of Vedanta India console. So, it is a part of VDL and not VRL. Now, in terms of project status, yes, it is progressing quite well on schedule. And from allocation of capital viewpoint, the number that you heard is 2 billion. That is over the time frame multiple years. But in the near future, over the next couple of qu arters, it is very, very small. If you also look at the multiple priorities that the government of Saudi Arabia has proposed, they want to also look at areas beyond oil and gas. And metals and mining has been identified as one of the important areas for development. So, any project in Saudi Arabia around metals and mining also will see multiple government partnerships. Now that can be around a significant subsidy on CAPEX. It also means multiple benefits in terms of cost. Example remains the power cost. At the same time, the lower cost of funding. So, net-net, it will lead to partnership between the government and Vedanta . Project progressing well. Right now, in the nascent stages. And the cost of funding and CAPEX will be quite minimal over the next couple of quarters.

Investec

Sure. That helps. Sir, I have a couple of questions. Please bear with me. Sir, my second question was on the debt refi. I would presume the total number is around you indicated $4.8 billion, but that would be excluding ICL and to what my memory serves, I think ICL was due in December 24. So, just wanted to know what the status is on ICL , and second related question is , I would presume the loans would be around the $2 billion? What is the weighted average cost over there? Those are specifically related to debt and loans that we have at VRL.

Ajay Goel

So, starting with the first one, you are right, that the amount of 4.8 billion at Vedanta Resources. It is only the external debt and you also got to transpose on that 0.4 billion , 400 million is the inter-corporate loan. Total in that case debt at VRL becomes 5.2 billion all in internal, external. Now the ICL , you are right, was due in December. Now the Board has decided and recommended to extend this ICL by almost 15 months. So , out of 400, the loan now becomes due in over 2 tranches. So, 200 million is due in January 26th. So , it is one year from now. Another 200 million is due in May 26. So, it has been extended by on an average 15 months. Now, if I look at the current debt stack at Vedanta Resources, $4.8 billion, one can think of three cohorts, roughly 3, 3.1 billion is multiple bonds. And that is what we have restructured over the last three, four months. Another billion is multiple bank loans, which are mostly from the Indian state PFC bankers. And the remainder billion is basically the PCF from Stan Chart. So, 3 billion bonds, a billion bank loans and a billion PCF.

Ajay Goel

Average cost, you mentioned…

Investec

Yes sir, average cost. Sorry. Sorry to interrupt.

Ajay Goel

Sure, please. The average cost from 13.3% at the year beginning is now down to almost 11%. And as we also repay and refinance this P CF in April and August, in that case, the cost of debt at Vedanta Resources will come down to a single digit, almost 9.8%, sometimes in July, August of the current calendar year.

Investec

This is very useful. Sir, is it possible to explain the underlying reason for the deferment of ICL given payouts have been nice ? So, from a priority standpoint of cash flows , how should one understand that or the other way to put it is what are the terms on the ICL right now?

Ajay Goel

See, if you look at the overall group 's cash management and maybe look back over the last 9 months, where VRL has been de-leveraged by 1 billion. Even at Vedanta Limited, which is led by operating free cash flows and multiple corporate actions be it QIP, offer for sale for Zinc 1.5%, we have significant cash and cash equivalent as I mentioned Rs. 21,000 crore. The feedback from the investors both from the debt and equity has been to look at this ICL deferred by almost one more year. So , it does help the group in terms of optimal cash management and of course following the due process, which means we take Board approval and even multiple legal opinions and view by the EY. So, it is the cash management overall.

Investec

Sure. So, a few bookkeeping questions. We have not touched upon Athena and Meenakshi. I think Arunji in his initial remarks indicated that we expect that commissioning in FY '26, please correct me if I am wrong, wanted to understand the commissioning schedule over here. Are we looking at short-term, long-term PPAs, what the status is? And do we have any linkages or are we looking at imported coal? Just trying to understand the economics and the cash flow from the power assets which are quite significant.

Arun Misra

So, both Meenakshi and Athena, yes, you are correct. Sometimes it is supposed to come to full capacity in FY '26. Of course, coal always will look at as much as domestic coal linkage wise possible running through auctions. Also, we will look at synergy with our coal mines allocated to other units, how do we synergize that? That could be another option. And yes, we will have a final capacity of 5 Gigawatt maybe in the next 12 to 15 months once they are commissioned.

Investec

Sir, I was looking at more detail. I will join back the queue with the same follow-up question. I will join back the queue. Thank you, sir.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Raashi Chopra from Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Citigroup

Thank you. Just continuing with the question on the debt , so now the interest cost should be somewhere around 550 million, right? And from a repayment perspective, this year is about 800 million for the StanC loan and what would be amount paid for next year? This is for PLC.

Ajay Goel

Okay. So, maybe, Raashi, I will give you overall picture for Vedanta resources. And you are right, with the recent deleveraging and the bond refinancing, the interest cost at VRL for the full fiscal is almost 500 million, 0.5 billion. The total repayment due next fiscal is about 900 million. So, 0.9 billion is the principal. 0.5 billion is the interest. So, 1.4. Now, how will this be serviced? There are two sources of cash and income at Vedanta Resources. Brand fee is a 400 to 450 million, and that leaves 950 to a billion as the principal. Now, as you may have seen over the last 3 odd years, the payment of dividend at the VRL receipt is about 2.5 odd billion. Going forward, even by paying almost one -third the dividend of historical average, the VRL debt can be easily managed. So, it is a 0.9 principal and 0.5 interest cost, 1.4 for the full fiscal.

Citigroup

Thank you. And for FY '27, what is that number in terms of principal repayment?

Ajay Goel

Principal is almost 650 million and the interest cost will be even lesser. I would say almost 400 to 450. So, give and take 1 to 1.1 billion, both principal and the interest in FY '27.

Citigroup

Got it. And at the India level, what is due for repayment now in this year, FY '25, 600 million?

Ajay Goel

For the current fiscal?

Citigroup

Got it. On the CAPEX side, what has been spent? I mean, are you on track for your 1.9 billion target? What has been the spend in the 9 months?

Ajay Goel

9 months is about 1.15 billion, and we will be in the ballpark of 1.5 to 1.6 billion in the current fiscal on CAPEX.

Citigroup

And just one last question from me on the, I think this time you haven't given the slide with your targeted volume and cost. So, for aluminum, the original target was I think for FY '25, 2.3, 2.4. So, where are we at now for the 4th Quarter?

Anup Agarwal

So, Anup this side. So, on volume, we should be slightly above 2.4 million ton as we ex it this year on the hot metal.

Anup Agarwal

The cost, let me tell you, see, in Quarter 1 let me tell you and we spoke, the cost drivers from here would be one , the captive alumina as we ramp up our alum ina, and on the bottom of the alumina, we have already spoken about the prices coming down from the levels of $800 to $500. Now if you ask me where the cost will be in Quarter 1, we can very well say that the aluminum cost should be 15% to 20% lower than what we saw in Quarter 3. Quarter 4, because of some high cost inventory and the met al in transit, aluminum cost will remain at the elevated levels. So, broadly if you ask me for the year as a whole, we should be somewhere around $1,800 on the hot metal cost. For FY '25, the 1,800 will be for FY '25.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Indrajit Agarwal from CLSA. Please go ahead.

Hi, sir, thank you for the opportunity . A few questions. First, on the two large projects , that is Ghogarpalli Mine and Sijimali Mine, what are the milestones that are still to be received or achieved, and what should we look out for timely commissioning? Because Bauxite Mine Sijimali is actually as soon as next quarter, so how should we look at it?

Ajay Goel

Sunil, would you address this?

Sunil Gupta

Yes, I will address it. So, coming to the Sijimali Mines, you know, we have already in the 96% of our land acquisition is over. We are in the advanced stage of the forest clearance, and we may get maybe another one, one -and-a-half months’ time, we will get the forest clearance. So, we are at a very advanced stage of Sijimali operational. Maybe in the quarter 2, we are going to start the Sijimali Mine. This is the status of Sijimali Mine. For the Ghogarpalli Mines, we have already taken the action o n the ground. Land acquisition, alienation of land is already completed. We have application for EC, To R has been filed. Application for ML has been filed. So, we are on track as far as the Ghogarpalli and mining plan is already submitted to M oEF. And I am very hopeful that Quarter 1 off, as per the original guideline, original target of Ghogarpalli, quarter 4 of FY '26, they are going to take out the first coal for the Ghogarpalli.

Sure. Thank you. This quarter we also had a slight increase in alumina cost of production, captive alumina cost of production. What were the drivers for that? And how should we look at it going forward?

Ajay Goel

Anup?

Anup Agarwal

Yes, I will do it. So , Ashish, you are right. See, we have had a marginal increase in our cost of alumina production, and that is to do slightly with the imported bauxite that we have consumed more compared to the earlier quarter. And going forward, so let me again reiterate. See, what is going to happen is, maybe if you look at the full year picture now, Ashish, we would need broadly 10-11 million tons of bauxite next year, broadly I am saying. Out of it, 60% should be through domestic sources, OMC and some other sources. 25 to 30% we believe should come from Sijimali once it starts and then ramps up. So, you can see that maybe 10 to 15% is what will be the imported cost, and we believe as we progress along now , this imported bauxite cost should come down and accordingly, the alumina cost should be closer to the levels of 320-325 for the year.

Sure. And one last question, if I may, on the KCM operations. At 160, 180 KT kind of run rate, assuming today's copper price and TCRC etc., what kind of annualized EBITDA can we generate over there?

Ajay Goel

Again, I will go back to Chris for this question. Thank you.

Chris Griffith

That's a very good question. And I would like actually not to respond to that now. Can I ask, Ajay, through you that we respond? I will get that number to you. It's actually some work that we are underway at the moment running our business plan. And we have also got to make assumptions about what the custom treatment charges and the custom earnings will be. So , can I ask Ajay through you that I don't answer that now, we would rather get back to the gentleman that asked that question shortly. Thanks.

Ajay Goel

Sure. So, it's, Indrajit, I would appreciate the whole KCM is under ramp -up and right now the management is focused similarly on operations and ramp-up. This mine has become operational after 3-4 years and hence maybe the cost right now won't be a good indication. So , allow us couple of more month's time and once we publish our full year numbers or before that , we will come back to you in terms of both EBITDA and the cash estimates for KCM for next year.

Sure. Thank you. That's very helpful. That's all from my side. I appreciate it.

Moderator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Pallav Agarwal from Antique Stock Broking. Please go ahead.

Antique Stock Broking

Yes, good evening, sir. Sir, just a clarification. KCM is still part of Vedanta Resources, right? Or is there any plan of shifting that to the base metal business during the restructuring?

Ajay Goel

Yes, you are right. It is a part of Vedanta Resources. And right now, there are no plans to be discussed actively. So, it remains part of Vedanta Resources in the near future.

Antique Stock Broking

Sure. So , just a couple of , you know, clarifications. So , if I look at the Zinc International business, we have had higher production and lower cost, right ? And even zinc prices, zinc has been sequentially higher. So , why have we seen a small, you know, decline in EBITDA on a sequential basis?

Ajay Goel

Chris, would you want to address that?

Chris Griffith

Pallav, we actually are increasing. As the costs are reducing and the volumes are increasing, we are increasing EBITDA. And that will continue again for this 4th Quarter. As we once again increase production, you will see an increase d EBITDA for Q4. And of course, likewise, that will continue into '26.

Antique Stock Broking

So, Chris, I was actually referring to the sequential...

Ajay Goel

There is a small…

Ajay Goel

You are right. Maybe there is a small impact.

Ajay Goel

So, yes, there is a higher volumes, the lower cost as well. And if it gets sequentially, maybe the EBITDA in the 2nd Quarter 378 and the 3rd Quarter is 64. Small difference and that is mostly one can attribute towards pricing.

Antique Stock Broking

Sorry, sir, could you repeat that, which pricing?

Ajay Goel

Overall the pricing is the reason, but overall, the volumes are better and so is the cost. The small impact on the EBITDA is a function of mostly pricing. So, if you see the Zinc pricing in the 2nd Quarter was a bit different than the 2nd Quarter.

Antique Stock Broking

Sure, okay, because the average was higher in the 3rd Quarter , but ye s, maybe the timing difference could lead to that. So, you know, similarly on the oil and gas business, the crude prices were down sequentially and our OpEx also as per the presentation went up sequentially. Even the production, there was a decline. But we have had sequentially higher EBITDA. So , any particular reason for that?

Ajay Goel

Hitesh?

Hitesh Vaid

Yes, hi. See, in the oil and gas business, beyond the oil price, volume and cost, one of the factors is our recovery from the revenue of the spend which we do on CAPEX. And as I said, we have started investing money in new infill wells, which will help us to gain volume in the near term, as well as the ASP project where the work is happening on the ground. Since I am spending a bit more in in fill wells and development, my profit sharing goes down and that's why my EBITDA goes up even though there is a marginal change in the volume as well as a bit uptick in costs.

Antique Stock Broking

So, basically, you know, CAPEX affects the profit sharing with the government and so that is leading to this increase. Is the understanding correct?

Hitesh Vaid

Yes, correct. Correct. Because now I am putting more money to bring volume in the near term. So that helps me to generate additional revenue and EBITDA, which I am investing in the business.

Antique Stock Broking

Finally, just on the power business, we have seen a pretty sharp decline in EBITDA on a sequential basis. So, is this because of higher cost over there or does something change in the TSPL profitability?

It's primarily because of the shutdown in one of the IPPs , and which was also scheduled shutdown. You will see a further improvement in the Q4.

Moderator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this will be the last question for today, which is from the line of Sumangal Nevatia from Kotak Securities. Please go ahead.

Kotak Securities

Yes, thank you for the chance. A couple of quick questions. First on Bauxite, we have said that roughly we are expecting 25 % from Sijimali and 25% from imports. Just want to understand what could be the cost difference at the bauxite level or alumina level between these two?

Ajay Goel

Anup?

Anup Agarwal

Sumangal, can you just repeat this, the second half you said what is the cost?

Anup Agarwal

See, I will try and give you some broad numbers. Okay. Now, Sijimali should be closer to the bauxite cost that we get from our O MC mines. That is what we are looking at. And of course, the imported bauxite costs have been slightly 25-30% higher than the domestic bauxite sources.

Kotak Securities

Sir, at the alumina level, what is the differential? Yes, sorry.

Anup Agarwal

Sorry, go ahead.

Kotak Securities

No, so at the alumina level, just to get some numbers for some calculation, what could be the difference in the cost of production of alumina from Sijimali Mine bauxite, or from imported bauxite?

Anup Agarwal

See, broadly you can assume that the alumina cost will be in the range of, say, 260 to 270 if we are using it from th e Sijimali, and the same can go up to , say, 330-335 if we use the imported source.

Kotak Securities

Understood. That's very helpful. My second question is on royalty. So, just want to understand what is the current royalty we are paying? What are the chances of it increasing in the near future? And when is our agreement expiring with respect to the royalty with the parent?

Ajay Goel

So, the royalty and the strategic fee rate right now remains same, which is 3% for Vedanta Limited. In case of zinc, it is 2%. It is being paid to Vedanta Limited first and out of that 0.3% is what Vedanta retains and the balance 1.7% is the pass-through. So, in summary, the rate of royalty has not changed. We don't foresee it changing. When the Board last revised the rate, it was locked for the next 6 years. The current agreement is for the long term. It's expiring only in 2028.

Kotak Securities

Understood. And just one last question on the coal mines. So , out of the four coal mines, for at least say Kuraloi, Radhikapur, Ghogarpalli, has any of them received forest clearance, final forest clearance?

Sunil Gupta

Yes, so, we are in the advanced stage for getting the forest clearance for the Kuraloi Mines. So, maybe there may be another month, one month time we are expecting forest clearance for the Kuraloi mines. And the Ghogarpalli, as I told that we have only applied for a mining lease. So, for a forest clearance it will take time. For the Kuraloi for sure we are going to get for est clearnace within 1 months’ time.

Sorry. Sumangal, can we take this question? Because I think we have run out of time. So, we can continue with it. You can take it offline with me.

Kotak Securities

Sure. Great results, and all the best to the team. Thanks for the answer.

Ajay Goel

Thank you.

Moderator

Thank you. As that was the last question for today, I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Charanjit Singh for closing comments. Over to you, sir.

Thank you everyone for joining us today. I hope we have managed to answer most of your questions. In case you still have any questions unanswered , you can reach out to us. With this, we conclude our today's call, and we look forward to reconnecting with you for a full year's results towards the end of April, early May. Thank you, and good day, everyone.

Moderator

Thank you, members of the management. On behalf of Vedanta Limited, that concludes this conference. We thank you for joining us and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.