AWL Agri Business Limited

FY2027 Q1

2026-07-30 Transcript PDF
Pankaj Goyal

Thank you, Shrikant, and good evening, everyone.

Let me take you through the financial performance for the quarter

We have started FY27 on a strong note, with broad- based growth translating into a meaningful step up in profitability and earning quality. Consolidated revenue grew 18% year-on-year to INR 20,048 crore, supported by 7% underlying volume growth across the portfolio. Operating EBITDA grew 34% year -on-year to INR 693 crore, while profit before tax and profit after tax grew 48% and 40% respectively. This improvement in profitability was broad-based, reflecting better execution across businesses, a favorable and increasingly Food -led product mix, disciplined pricing, and continued operating efficiencies. Every business segment contributed positively this quarter, a reflection of the strength of our diversified model. Food and FMCG remain the clearest expression of that strategy. Revenue grew 22% year -on- year to INR 1,726 crore. We continued to invest behind brands, distribution expansion, and new

category additions, including the recent addition of Madhur to our sugar portfolio and continued strong momentum in our Tops range of sauces and convenience Food , which grew 23% year - on-year. Segment EBITDA came in at INR 104 crore with margin at 6%. We see this as the right trade- off. As these categories mature, we expect the quality and durability of these earnings to keep strengthening and Food and FMCG remain our single biggest priority for capital and management attention going forward. Edible Oil delivered resilient performance in a volatile commodity environment with revenue up 15% and EBITDA per metric ton up 33% year-on-year. While Industry Essentials, supported by continued strength in Oleochemical s and Specialty Chemical s, delivered another strong quarter with revenue up 28% and EBITDA up 47% year-on-year. Looking ahead, our operating outlook across three segments remains unchanged. In Food and FMCG, we continue to target mid -teen revenue growth while maintaining EBITDA margin in the 3%-4% range as we continue to invest behind brands, distributions, and category expansion. In Edible Oils, we expect volume growth of around 5%- 6%, with EBITDA expected to remain in the range of INR 4,000-INR 4,500 per metric ton. For Industry Essential s, we continue to expect volume growth of around 8%-9% while sustaining EBITDA in the range of INR 3,000- INR 3,500 per metric ton. We believe these operating parameters provide a balanced framework for delivering profitable and sustainable growth across our portfolio. Beginning this quarter, we have also refined how we present segment performance. For Food and FMCG, as the business scales and diversifies, we believe revenue, underlying volume growth, and EBITDA margin are now the more meaningful lens than absolute volume and our disclosures will evolve accordingly. Edible Oils and Industry Essential s will continue to be presented on a per ton basis given throughput remains a key driver there. We will continue to disclose segments wise EBITDA on a consolidated basis and segment wise return on capital employed on standalone basis to give investor a clearer view of margin and capital efficiency across our diversified portfolio. Taken together, we believe this gives a more meaningful framework for evaluating an increasingly diversified Food FMCG portfolio and reflects where we are taking the company. With that, let’s open the floor for questions.

Dhiraj Mistry

Yes. Congrats on good set of number. Sorry if I missed out anything, but what would be the revenue? Given that your FMCG business is back to growth and you have done 6% margin, what would be the guidance going ahead? What kind of growth you are expecting and what kind of EBITDA you would like to maintain in this year?

Shrikant Kanhere

This question is particularly for the Food segment?

Dhiraj Mistry

Foods and FMCG.

Shrikant Kanhere

Foods and FMCG. Okay. I think this quarter we delivered a revenue of INR (+ 1,700), which is again a double-digit growth. I think the guidance which we can give for the rest of the year, I think we should continue with this double -digit growth in the Food , both volume as well as revenue. And EBITDA margins, I would rather say, we should not be looking at a 6% EBITDA margin for this quarter, what we should be looking at is the average of last four quarters. Given that Food for us still remains in a growth phase or investment phase, and we will still remain aggressive on the top line rather than actually looking at a bottom line. So, 6% may not be the guidance, of course. The average of last four quarters or five quarters should be something which we should be consistently delivering.

Dhiraj Mistry

In double-digit revenue growth, when you say double digit, 22% and 10%, what would be the guided range for that business?

Shrikant Kanhere

Guided range in a sense for volume or revenue you are asking?

Dhiraj Mistry

No. Revenue.

Shrikant Kanhere

Revenue guidance would be in and around, I think between 18%- 20% is something we should continue to deliver.

Dhiraj Mistry

Got it. Sir, on Madhur, can you throw some light what kind of revenue this Madhur generates, what kind of margins and what kind of terms and agreement you have with Shree Renuka Sugars, and what are your targets going ahead for this brand?

Shrikant Kanhere

See, the Madhur integration has got one basic fundamental objective is Madhur is one of the strongest brand, or rather I would say the number one brand in the country. Shree Renuka on their own were finding it difficult to scale the brand in spite of the fact that brand is very strong. The fundamental objective is to leverage AWL ’s distribution and grow this brand as much as possible. That’s the objective number one. On the revenue, I think Madhur today sells close to 15,000 tons a month. Of course, our target is to scale it up further and make it close to 20,000 tons a month, by end of the year. Therefore, average revenue that this brand today is generating or will continue to generate will be in the range of close to maybe. For the full year it can be close to INR 700 crore-INR 800 crore kind of number.

Dhiraj Mistry

Got it. In terms of margins, what would be the margin profile and is there any royalty payment which you will be doing to Shree Renuka Sugars?

Shrikant Kanhere

Yes. Because it’s a brand which has been licensed to us by Renuka, brand remains with Renuka. It is licensed to us, kind of marketing agreement which has been done. We will be paying a royalty of 0.5% on the sales that we will do for this Madhur brand. And on the margin guidance, see, as I said, the primary objective is to make the brand big and therefore, we would certainly focus more on the top line and volume and therefore, the margin guidance would more or less remain same as what we would be delivering in our overall Food segment.

Dhiraj Mistry

Got it. And s ir, lastly on Edible Oil business, you have done 2% volume growth. How is the scenario right now in the market, let ’s say the de -stocking which you are witnessing, Q1, it ’s largely over and the palm oil remains volatile in a way , what kind of, let’s say, volume growth you would be aiming, 3%-5% volume would be over the medium term basis and your full year it would be in a range of, let’s say, 4,000-4,500 or it can be bit higher in that term?

Shrikant Kanhere

This quarter we had challenge on both. One is, of course, on one hand you had volatility, on other hand you have supply chain disruptions also and t he third, of course, because of the volatility, the sluggishness in the market, the trade was hand-to-mouth, and the primary pipeline was more of a dried -up. So, t hat everything happened in this quarter, and that therefore it impacted our volume for the Edible Oil, and we grew only by 2%. But as we go forward, I think now we are looking like we are already done with July, things are coming back, whatever issues that we had in Q1, I don’t think we will continue to face. Volatility has now become a new normal, I don’t think that would anywhere need to be discussed. But I think as we know from 2nd Quarter onward, India gets into a festive mode and lot of demands, and after rains, particularly for Edible Oil, demand starts coming in. So, I am hopeful, of course, I am not giving a guidance of 2%, I think rest of the nine months, I think we should grow in a moderate single digit, which can be anywhere between 5%-6% kind of number on volume.

Dhiraj Mistry

Got it. Thank you very much. I will fall back in the queue.

Moderator

Thank you, sir. The next question is from the line of Ashutosh Joytiraditya from ICICI Securities Limited. Please go ahead.

ICICI Securities Limited

Yes. Hi, sir. Thank you for the opportunity. My first question is slightly only longer-term vision, the 2030 Vision which the company has. Just want to understand, what kind of CAPEX and what kind of market share opportunity or the gain opportunity the company has budgeted in for the Edible Oils and the Foods and Staples business?

Shrikant Kanhere

Of course, our 2030 guidance we have recently given that we want to cross INR 100,000 crore of revenue, want to cross INR 4,000 crore of EBITDA and all. Of course, there would be a CAPEX that will be there. I think I can’t give you a specific CAPEX that we would be doing in

next four years, but as and when the capacities would need to be added, I think we will do. Today, our Edible Oil refining capacities are running at close to 60% -61%. In the next couple of years, it will get exhausted, and we may have to put up CAPEX . Similarly, we will have to put lot of CAPEX in the Food also because still today, 50% of our Food business is coming from the contractual or tolling operation, which we want to convert into our own operation. A steady state for a modeling purpose, if you really want, I think you can continue to assume a CAPEX of anywhere between INR 700 crore kind of number for every year.

ICICI Securities Limited

Okay. Understood. My next question is that with this Wilmar ownership going up, what kind of efficiencies the company can expect, be it the global sourcing thing or any other export opportunity or anything that you want to highlight in this regard?

Shrikant Kanhere

Sourcing efficiency was even before also. Sourcing is one of the core strengths that we have, and that’s also because the Wilmar is something which is to our side, and therefore the kind of market info that we get from Wilmar is like nobody else get s in this country. So, that sourcing efficiency was earlier also will continue, I think. The biggest leverage that we will try to make out of new setup or a new structure is we will try and leverage more of a R&D of Wilmar, which is there. They are quite big, and the kind of R&D they have done in extracting value out of every chain where we are into, we will try and leverage that as much as possible. Besides that, of course, technical expertise which they have, we will continue to take benefit of that as well.

ICICI Securities Limited

Okay. Understood, sir. Sir, next question on this. We have seen the Edible Oil typically is very volatile, and there has been initiative by the company and even other companies also to basically improve the domestic sourcing of oil seeds. So, any ballpark number with this kind of strategy of domestic sourcing, what could be the reduction in the overall reliance from the imports of the particular oils that is happening maybe like in next three, four years, five years? Any particular number or any sense on that?

Shrikant Kanhere

So, it’s very hard to put up any particular number, to be very frank with you. I think India ’s dependence on Edible Oil will continue for some time. Not sometime, but I think for a longer time, because given the fact that still we import close to 70% of our requirement s. I think there is a good amount of work which is happening on domestic oil, particularly on the oil seed. One is the mustard, and of course, the Government is trying to push various initiatives so that we can have more and more oil seeds. I think we are focusing more on this mustard segment, and we are growing very fast on that. That itself will have some kind of impact on reducing the import dependence but of course, the import dependence will remain, and you will have to bear with the volatility which we see in this oil.

ICICI Securities Limited

Okay, understood. Sir, one last question. Again, slightly medium -term question. This cross - selling opportunity, so currently we see if my assumption is correct, around 35% -40% of the distribution outlets of the overall Edible Oil that is being used for selling Food and FMCG. Any

particular target which the company has to, say, next one or two years, how that percentage will change with that cross-selling opportunity for Foods business?

Shrikant Kanhere

Cross-selling opportunities, of course, they are. All our oil distribution, which is there, I think we are leveraging that quite efficiently. What we are basically offer is a basket to our trade, which includes not only Edible Oil, but also the Food part also. So, we keep leveraging between, or we keep cross -selling between the Food and Oil. That will certainly continue. That’s also evident from the fact that the kind of growth that we have been able to achieve in the Food only because of this cross-selling. We will continue with that. I can ’t give you a number to that, but only will say that, yes, this process will continue.

ICICI Securities Limited

Yes. Just wanted to understand, there isn’t much friction in keeping the FMCG brand, right? Of course, the oil brand definitely has a stronger brand equity compared to the foods products. That way I was asking, there is not any friction within the distributors in keeping these products, right?

Shrikant Kanhere

No, of course not. There is no friction as such.

Moderator

Thank you, sir. The next question is from the line of Lakshmi Narayan from Tunga Investments. Please proceed.

Tunga Investments

Thank you for this. I have a couple of questions. I just want to understand what percentage of our raw material is imported, especially in the oil. Within that, what percentage comes from Wilmar? That is my first question. Second question is that, if I loo k at the last 10 years, your volume growth has been around 7% on a CAGR basis. Do you anticipate this kind of a volume growth over the next decade also? Because from where we are now, we have kind of penetrated, I think. Just want to understand whether the market is available for you to grow at that. That ’s my second question. Third question is that, what ’s the mix of your Food business by B2C and B2B? Three questions.

Shrikant Kanhere

Okay. I will take one-by-one. So, first question was that how much of raw material is imported. I think for Edible Oil, it’s close to 70% we import. I think little more than 70%, in fact, is imports. Of that 70%, close to one third is Wilmar. Because our palm portfolio is close to 30% of our entire oil volumes. This is answer to your question number one. Second, you said that the company has been able to register a CAGR of 7% on a volume growth over last 10 years. I think it will be little bit more than that because Food got into our scheme of the things only last five years, and Food is growing double digit. Edible Oil, we are saying that will continue to grow at 5%, 6% kind of number, and the Industry Essential again, close to 8% to 9%. Food, as we said, we will strive to grow it in double-digit. So, if you average it out basis the kind of proportion all these three segments have, I think 8% -9% is something which we are saying, and this is the

guidance also we are giving it for quite some time. So, w e should continue to deliver that. And on a Food B2C and B2B, I think for the Food , 80% is actually B2C. In fact, more than 80% is B2C, hardly 15% is B2B. H aving said that, we are mindful of that B2B is also very lucrative portfolio, given the fact that we are quite big in institution when it comes to Edible Oil. Most of our institutional clients who buy Edible Oil also requires Food, which is wheat, flour, rice and all. We are building this slowly. Right now, at this point of time, it is only 20% in Food and B2C is 80%, but slowly I think it will continue to grow.

Tunga Investments

The first thing you talked about sourcing from Wilmar. So, that kind of credit period we get? Is it like we get some kind of an advantage, and especially in terms of hedging, how do you handle it? Your counterpart on the other side will also be thinking of protecting their own margins, and you will also be doing the same. So, how does that work in terms of payables to Wilmar? Is it in line with the payables you have with the rest of the imported raw material?

Shrikant Kanhere

Wilmar being a related party, and we have been listed, and of course, you are subject to audit and related party transactions , transfer pricing audits and all that. I think for us, Wilmar is a preferred supplier. Everything is at arm ’s length, whether it is pricing or whether it is a credit period or any aspect of the transaction. Everything is in line with what otherwise we would have got from any outside supplier. That’s the answer to your question.

Tunga Investments

Got it. Sir, just coming to another thing, I just want to understand how often do you do mark-to- market of the raw materials, especially the oils? Typically, how many raw material s stock base you carry in your most dominant category of oils. And also the third question is that if you look at the regional mix of your sales by oil, can you just help me understand which region is growing faster and what is the saliency?

Shrikant Kanhere

See, mark-to-market is a dynamic process. It’s something which, as per the accounting standard, you have to do a mark-to-market at the close of the accounting period, that we do, whether it is mark-to-market sitting in your inventory or whether it is sitting in your hedges or whether it is sitting on your firm contract. So, t hat we do basis whatever is being required as per the Indian Accounting Standards.

Tunga Investments

Just you do it per quarter or per 30 days, or what is the cycle of mark-to-market?

Shrikant Kanhere

No, it’s quarter only because the quarter is the number which you declare.

Shrikant Kanhere

That’s how it happens. Your second question was what?

Shrikant Kanhere

Stock days are anywhere between 30 to 35 days, given the fact that most of our raw material is imported and there is a voyage period of 35, 40 days. Since voyage period is 30, 35 or 40 days, you have no option but to keep that much of stock so that you are not out of stock at any point of time. We keep 30 to 35 days of stock at any point of time for whether it ’s palm or soya or sunflower.

Moderator

Sorry to interrupt, sir. Lakshmi Narayan, sir, may we request you to return to the question queue for follow-up?

Tunga Investments

No, the question is already asked in terms of the regional mix of oil. If he can give that split, it will be great. Otherwise, I will come in queue.

Shrikant Kanhere

The business mix of oil is, in overall scheme of the things, we have 30% weightage coming in from palm, another 30%-35% coming in from soya, 20% comes from sunflower, and rest of the 15% predominantly comes from all your local oils like mustard, groundnuts, cotton, and rice bran.

Moderator

Thank you, sir. The next question is from the line of Ashok Shah from Eklavya Invesco Family Office. Please proceed.

Eklavya Invesco Family Office

Thanks for allowing me to ask question. Sir, any plan or program for guiding the farmers to grow palm tree or any other food-related items? Are we doing anything, something like that?

Shrikant Kanhere

No, we are not into any palm plantation or any contractual farming for the palm. But what we normally do is we have started one program where we are trying to procure directly from farmers. There’s castor seed, we try to procure directly from farmers. Close to 18%, 19% of our procurement directly comes from the farmer.

Eklavya Invesco Family Office

Do we run any simultaneous program to increase the acreage or the production from the farmers?

Shrikant Kanhere

We are doing one program on mustard farming with one NGO called Solidaridad in association with SEA, where we have adopted some 3,500 model mustard farms where we are spending and trying to improve the efficiency of this farm, and we have got some good res ults. We will continue with this kind of initiative, particularly for the mustard, given the fact that government is also pushing up for improvement or increase in the oil seed production of India to become less dependent on import oil.

Gaurav Nigam

Thank you, sir, for taking my question. First question on when we, I think you had declared the hedging gains, and I believe, as you mentioned, there is mark-to -market gains on the opens. Wanted to understand from your raw material perspective, what proportion you keep as hedges and what proportion you keep it open. That ’s my first question. And r elated to these will be variable things which will be happening every quarter -to-quarter. What is the metric that you use to unit or any metric that you use to judge profitability?

Shrikant Kanhere

I think as far as this hedge is concerned, we import and we don’t usually speculate, or we don’t take any big calls given the fact that the brand is in front of us. I think brand itself is our biggest hedge. Usually, most of our buying is keeping in mind what is the demand on the ground and how much of time we have to sell the product, and our brand actually itself becomes a hedge. Besides that, we do some hedging by doing forward sales, which is also one way of hedging. That’s not something which we have, in a sense, anything which we can put a number to it. Given the fact that our brand itself is strong, that itself acts as a big hedge for us.

Moderator

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for today. I would now like to hand the conference over to management for closing comments.

Shrikant Kanhere

Yes. Thanks everyone for attending the call and do keep tracking us, and in case you still have any questions, you can reach out to our Investor Relation team or email, and we will certainly get back to you with answers. Thank you.

Moderator

Thank you, sir. On behalf of ICICI Securities Limited, that concludes this conference call. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.