The first question is from Abneesh Roy from Nuvama.
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My first question is on the margin surprise, and congrats for that. And you have also done non- core asset monetization of land also. So I wanted to understand what will be the competitive intensity given that a Bira kind of player , clearly, in terms of presence has gone down significantly. Do you see that as a example, cost advantage in terms of advertising spend?
Actually, we are seeing the competitive intensity quite high because when the category is not growing volume, it's a tough time. Everyone wants a pie on a high fixed cost business. So I think, as I said that many times that our focus is on category growth. Actually, we feel that more spend in the category will actually help to drive category growth because the number 1 thing we need is to get back to growth of volumes in the category. We are seeing a lot of competitive intensity from the local players, some of the other global competitors. In some cases, we are seeing some spend from the competitors, which is basically buying volumes, but we don't want to get into that trap. But having said that, I think it is very competitive, but we really hope that this drives the category growth. I don't mind us losing shares if the category is going up, but it's not a healthy sign if the category is declining. And I think the category must bounce back from this quarter, and that is why I think the intensity is there. On Bira, if you actually see, the Bira's share is only 0.1, and it has never been a significant share. It was big in a couple of states, but we don't see much impact because of Bira intensity coming down.
I had a question on the specific states. So , Maharashtra, you have done quite well this quarter. My question is, now that Maharashtra-made liquor is ramping up, and that's more affordable to customers. So do you see that beer growth rate goes down in Maharashtra? And the laggard states like Karnataka and Bengal, soon we will see the favourable base wrapping up. So, do you expect a strong FY'27, assuming season is normal , because no one can predict season. But just because of these 2 states, how do you see?
Yes. No. I think we want to continue to see the momentum in Maharashtra because, as I said, the category growth opportunity is huge in Maharashtra. While MML impact, we have to still see because it has come in and it's very early days, but we see a lot of opportunity in Maharashtra. I think Karnataka, as you said, has been the capital of beer or the capital state of beer. It has to bounce back in Karnataka, and that's why we are also confident in betting on our biggest innovation with Kingfisher Strong Smooth. We accelerated in Karnataka to help drive category growth. We also have Heineken Silver and Amstel Grande. We have a full portfolio in Karnataka. At least in January, the operational issues that were there last year on labour registration and all were not there. So those are the positive signs in Karnataka. And at the same time, we are working with a lot of other governments. I think West Bengal policy was positive in December, where the relative taxation of beer got better. So we're hoping better. We're hoping that Telangana, Orissa, Rajasthan, some of the other states also address the affordability issues or the relative pricing. So, I think there will be ups and downs. Jharkhand has been positive based on their policy on privatization. So these, we have to see. But yes, as I said, we are positive, but we have to see how much it bounce back because affordability is still a real issue. Like relatively, it will improve, but if the prices rema in where it is, so we have to just see that. But you're right, there are going to be plus and minus on this. But there are green shoots on category growth in January. We're already seen the category coming back to 4%, 5% level in January. So that's a positive sign.
Last quick question. So you spoke about the aluminium can inflation, but gross profit still is up versus the overall sales, so there is a gross margin expansion. So what has helped here? And do you see this turning a bit more under pressure , given the aluminium inflation? Second is other expenses, down 4%. So, anything sustainable in that line item?
Sorry, the second question, your voice was breaking.
Other expenses....
Sorry, your voice was breaking, but let me answer the first question, Abneesh. I think aluminium cans is a watch out, but you see for United Breweries, the key is bottles. And we are actually doing a significant amount of work on return bottles, and that has really helped us on the gross margin expansion. The other thing is the state mix and where we produce , how do we optimise that. So we are building the can pricing and the imports we have to do into our plan, but these will be the headwinds, which may not lead to this level of margin expansion. In our own estimate, like we got 220 basis points of gross margin expansion. We think 50% of it could be structural, and we should continue to bring on that with many of these initiative that we are working on. We've also taken pricing on cans in the selective market s wherever we can take because pricing is a lot government driven. So there's a plan we are working on it.
The next question is from Harit Kapoor from Investec.
So the first question was on the revenue bit. So you've seen almost a 5% realization improvement this quarter. How much of this is the pricing that you spoke about, where you've been able to get some incremental pricing? And how much of it is mix -led because markets like West India, specifically Maharashtra, did well. Can you give us a sense of what proportion of this is mix, what proportion of this is price?
I'm sorry, Harit, could you please repeat the question?
Yes. My question is on realization growth, which is almost 5% this quarter. How much of this was price and how much of this was mix? Just some sense will help there. That's my first question.
Yes. Harit, thanks for the question. It's approximately 50 -50 between price and mix, where we see in pricing, we see in some of the big volume states like Telangana and Rajasthan, we have pricing from earlier in the year. On the state mix, we see that Maharashtra and Karnataka mainly were ahead of the pack in terms of volume growth. So it's a combination that pans out in approximately 50-50 split.
And if you look at the earlier participant asked about gross margins. So I understand that part of it again is mix-led, given that markets in the West have done well and Telangana, Rajasthan, not so much. But how much of this would you really attribute again to state mix, the sharp improvement of 220 basis points? Because once some of these other markets start to lap the decline and start to grow, we should see a more normalized gross margin. So just was coming from that angle.
Yes. So it's a combination of things. And look, I think as Vivek mentioned, we're very happy with the direction this is growing because we see in the margin extension that we recorded in the quarter, we see that part of it is also showing the green shoots of the initiatives that we did and the good performance as well on, for instance, the bottle returns. sorry, are you still there? Can you hear us?
Yes, sir, we can hear you.
Yes. So on the margin, if we look at the total of 220 basis points, we think that roughly 50% is underlying performance improvement, which is a combination of better return on bottles, the local sourcing that we have in Andhra Pradesh, as well the favourable state mix. So in that mix, I do think you could say that there's a part also driven by the favourable state mix. Obviously, we also try to drive that in terms of how do we push for our business to, of course, accelerate in the region where it's more profitable versus others. But that remains a bit of a volatile thing.
Yes, of course. And the return on the bottle kind of mix, maybe if you could give a sense of, say, YTD, what that number is versus what it was last year? Any kind of direction which you have in terms of just wanted to map your improvement, how it has kind of panned out?
Yes. So year -to-date, we are at 36.7% new bottle infusion, and it's been a continuous growth story. So this is top of my head, I would say, the sixth or seventh quarter in a row that we're improving on bottle returns. So, lowering the impact of new bottle infusion despite the fact that we also continue to grow, especially on the premium side. And we've mentioned that before on these calls that with the premium growth accelerating, we also need to get to significant share of premium in order to see the bottle returns also helping for premium to become value accretive. We start seeing, in some selective pockets in the markets, we start seeing some of these improvements coming through to the P&L. So I think that's something that adds to what Vivek was saying on directionally , we're very happy with how this is going because it means that structurally we're improving the business. However, this is still very selective. But overall, on bottle returns, I think we've done really good work, and we continue to see the improvement. And that also, of course, reflects in our ability to have return bottles on the premium segment.
Great. And the last bit was, as the earlier participant asked, Karnataka comes into the base from January, the data is now visible. And even Rajasthan, Telangana, the impacts were, started to play out in quarter 1 and quarter 2. So you're lapping some of those kind of low-ish basis as well. Vivek, do you believe that this 6%, 7% industry volume growth trajectory is a reasonable ask going into FY '27 after a fairly challenging year?
I think on the longer term, yes, we still very much believe that, that's where the industry is heading. And we do expect some acceleration post cycling some of these items that you mentioned, as well as last year, where we see the benefits of pricing in Telangana and Rajasthan, but it has an impact on industry volume in these particular states , as well as across other states. So that continues to be a bit of up and down. But longer term, we still see that number. Short term, we still see headwinds cycling that pricing. So that will take a few months. As well as preparing for the season. We did well last year. So on the shorter term, yes, we see green shoots. We're not there yet from a category point of view in that mid-single-digit sort of area of growth. But for longer term, we still believe that's where we need to be.
The next question is from Krishnan Sambamoorthy from Nirmal Bang Institutional Equities.
My first question is regarding visi -coolers. What are the discernible benefits that you have witnessed so far in the areas where you rolled this?
Yes. I think good question. I think, as you said, we are consistently increasing our investment in the visi-coolers. I would say versus 2014, we have actually almost 2.5x more visi-coolers in the market. And we are seeing almost not only a category growth in those stores, but also share growth for us in those stores. And I think there's a lot of opportunity because the category -- the beer is sold cold, and we have to continuously drive it, but we are absolutely seeing a positive momentum on the category and our shares in the stores where we are doing the visi-coolers. And we are measuring it. Of course, there is an impact of weather and affordability. And so we'll have to see the data over a longer period of time. But directionally, we are investing more this year versus last year based on the positivity we are seeing on this.
In How many stores do you have visi-coolers now in terms of number at the end of December?
Yes, we have in more than 35,000 stores, we have visi-coolers.
Okay. My second question is regarding barley inflation. In the last quarter , you had mentioned that you were expecting high single-digit inflation. What is the latest view that you have here?
Yes. No, no real change on the barley. I think barley remains one of the input materials where we're seeing some higher inflation. On the other hand, actually , we see pretty good developments. We feel good about the bottles. Like Vivek mentioned, we need to watch out for aluminium. I think over the past couple of weeks, the global price for aluminum we had quite a bit of an increase. So that's something that we watch. I think we're covered for the first couple of months. And specifically, maybe on both cans as well on barley, a big part of our focus is on localizing supply. So for cans, we still are looking at some imports for the year, which we can hopefully cover with the help of partners in the years after. For barley, we've managed to completely localize the supply to India versus previous year, but we also had to do imports, which of course come at a price.
What's the issue here on barley? From what I gather, the barley sowing so far has been ahead of last year's level. So what is causing this inflation?
It's an MSP increase because, as you know, the minimum support price in the key markets have gone up to do that. And to encourage farmers, we usually pay slightly higher based on that. So I think it's the MSP and the inflationary increase which we are looking at now.
The next question is from Ajay Thakur from Anand Rathi Securities.
So I wanted to understand more on the market share trend, how it's been shaping up, especially for us, and in the key states like Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh or some of the other major states, if you can just throw some light on that part.
Yes. I think for the full 2025, we actually grew almost 90 basis points of national market share. And not only that, we also grew, I think, around 180 to 200 basis points of premium market share. So our market share trends for the full year basis are there . There are going to be some fluctuations quarter-by-quarter because of the state mix where we have developed. But overall, I think we are in the ballpark range of 48% to 49% market share as a company. And as I said, our biggest priority is to drive category growth. Again, we are actually not talking market share amongst ourselves much. The key priority is what Jorn said, we need to get to long- term 6%, 7% growth. Last year was tough because of the affordability and weather. We need to see how the weather holds up and how much impacts. So I think that's where we are.
Understood. And second question was on the Telangana. What is the status in terms of the receivables that we have over there? And how much improvement are we seeing in terms of the receivable trends?
We continue to face challenges in Telangana as an industry. I think we have got some good improvement in the past overdues, which were there. But also, the new overdue has increased. I think it's a constant effort to work with the government and to bring the part. But I would say we are in, it's a continuous engagement. So I won't say we are in a better position out there, this is something we need to work because the total exposure for us still remains the same.
The next question is from Himanshu Shah from Dolat Capital.
Sir, I have a question on our cost and productivity effectiveness program. So the 3% to 6% savings that we are highlighting, would this be the gross savings or net savings, net of reinvestment, number one. And this will be on F Y'25 revenue base? If you can just clarify this particular thing.
Yes. So we're talking gross savings here that we aim to materialize over the next couple of periods. So the savings that we generate from these initiatives, we expect to partially flow through the P&L and a significant portion is planned to be strategically reinvested so that we're driving future growth, that we support the brand, that we support our premiumization efforts. So this will include a wide range of investments, think, for instance, to impact affordability of beer and to make sure that we do the right brand -building activities and putting money behind innovations like now Kingfisher Smooth, enhancing competitive po sitioning, these type of things across our key markets to make sure that we continue to invest into long-term growth. So first and foremost, we need this in order to be able to invest behind the growth. And then we'll see how well we do versus those initiatives. But I think the main driver for launching this is making sure that, one, we become more resilient in a volatile environment; but two, that we really generate funds to invest behind long-term brand building.
Sure, sir. And the savings should materialize over what period of time frame?
Between 2026 and 2028. So it's a longer-term program, and you will hear us talk about this quite a bit, I think, in the coming calls, because it's also about structurally improving the business. It's definitely not meant to be a short -term knee -jerk exercise. This is really about long -term improving the business.
That was the last question in queue. I would now like to hand the conference over to the management team for any closing comments.
Thanks, and thanks, everyone, for joining and asking questions. As we said, I think we are on a journey of being category makers. I think what Jorn said, our focus is on structurally improving the health of the business, bringing real consumer innovation, retail excellence, execution, leveraging our footprint of our breweries and our partnerships and really creating the excitement of the category. Right now, the other big focus is to really advocate about differentiation of beer, why beer is different from spirit, why beer needs to have an equal taxation, why beer is required in terms of the economic value it adds. So there's a lot of work happening on the category. And we, as I said, we feel very positive about the structural improvements and the trends and the hard work of the organization coming together, and we feel positive about the prospects of the category in medium to long term, and we'll co ntinue to invest behind our brands and innovation. Thanks, everyone, for joining.
Thank you very much. On behalf of United Breweries Limited, that concludes the conference. Thank you for joining us. Ladies and gentlemen, you may now disconnect your lines.