Blue Jet Healthcare Limited analyst Q&A

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. We have our first question from the line of Kunal Dhamesha from Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Good evening and thank you for the opportunity a nd congratulations on great top line momentum. I have a question on gross margin. I think the clarification was good, but let's say from here on, how should we t hink about the run rate maybe on an annual basis? What's the range that we should look at? Is it 50% kind of run rate that we should look at adjusting for this 4.5% one off? And secondly, let's say once the iodinated ABA HCL kind of grows, how that 53% could move? Any clarity on that could be helpful. And then, I have more questions. I will come back.

See, if I look at this change in the finished goods, we are actually back to the 53 levels. So, like this is just an issue which is relevant only for this. On a regular basis, we don't see any change in the gross margin with this current product. So, we have a couple of new launches which are slated for Q2, Q3 and could actually come back or if there is any changes in when this iodinated new product comes in, you can actually see the change in the numbers.

So, should we expect it to improve from the levels, current levels or how should we think about it?

Okay. And this 53 you mentioned is the 53 days of finished goods inventory?

No, this is 53% of gross margin.

But let's say finished good inventory now, where would we and then is it in line with our expectations?

So, in terms of inventory days, there is no significant change. It came down by 131 days, that is working capital to total turnover. We should be around similar range way forward.

Okay. Sure. And then second one on the iodinated intermediate. So, we are seeing that the block is ready, capacity is ready and it would get commissioned or will start supplying in Q2. Is the way to understand?

Yes. That is the right assumption.

Sure. And what's the capacity in terms of let's say reactor capacity or let's say tons, if you could share and how do we expect the ramp up to be? Will it be like a gradual ramp up or step jump?

In terms of what I can share right now, the net realization per kg improves significantly with this launch, we won't be able to disclose the volume or KL capacity. But from a criticality standpoint, and our growth journey, this is a fairly good needle mover.

Sure. And one on the pharmaceutical intermediate, I believe that we had suggested that 120 KL capacity is what we had put for the cardiovascular intermediate. Is that number correct?

That's the right assumption. 120 KL is what we've indicated. That's the right number. Happy to get on with the questions, please. Thank you.

Yes. I have more questions. I will join back the queue. Thank you.

Thank you. The next question is from the li ne of Meet Katrodiya from Niveshaay . Please go ahead.

Yes, thank you so much for the opportunity. So, sir, I want to understand a little deeper in terms of gross margin. So, like gross margin fell 6.5% this quarter and 4.4% impact due to changes in inventory means we sold much of the higher cost inventory we have in last quarter, right? So, could you break down how much of the gross margin drop came from under a bsorbed fixed overhead or pricing change or is it like one of inventory adjustment? Basically, I want to break up of 4.4%?

See, whenever you have a change in finished goods, whatever overhead which gets inventorized gets released to the P&L. For example, if you draw from your finished goods, whatever overhead that has been inventorized gets released to the P&L. So, there is no breakup for 4.4. It is totally the overheads, what got inventorized in the last quarter, because this time our closing finished goods is much lower compared to the previous quarter. So, technically means we have actually sold the finished goods of last quarter in this quarter and any associated overheads relating to those stock gets released to the P&L. That is the way you have to look at it.

Okay, so the figure 4.4% in change in inventory contains all the overheads, right? There is nothing raw material cost or maybe…my understanding is right?

Yes.

Meet, I will just add here. Whenever inventory gets reduced, your cost goes up in accounting language. So, this is exactly that has happened. If you see the last four columns of the P&L, each year cost has reduced. But because of this change in inventory, the cost has gone up. In simple language, when inventory goes down, your cost goes up and it affects your gross contribution.

Okay, understood. Thank you, sir. Yes , next one is on pharma intermediate side. What kind of feasibility do we have from innovators as the product expands into new geography and settlement with generic ANDA filer is giving good long -term benefits. So, are you seeing increased demand that will lead our PI segment to grow from this quarterly run rate of 200 crores or do we anticipate growth to taper off due to rising competition?

Once again, we would reiterate that we don't really give guidance like this. But then you should not assume a quarterly run rate, right? Perhaps you have to look at larger time segment. In the CDMO business, quarter is not a very good indication. That's number one. Number two, as far as the end molecule is concerned, the growth numbers are very encouraging. And there is a very interesting lifecycle management also happening at Esperion where they are coming out with newer products in combination with this Bempedoic acid. So, I guess overall the tiding to the market are excellent for the molecule. We don't see any issue at all. We are poised for good growth.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Piyush Kumar from Magnus Investments. Please go ahead.

Sir, my question is regarding the entire three segments of your business. So, which is the most bullish segment that you are on? Which segment is getting the most calls from clients and the entire industry? So, what do you think about that?

So, for us, contrast media is our flagship vertical and the mainstay of the business. We are very predominantly contrast media focused company. On the other side, the PI business you have seen has gained great traction. There the addressable market is much larger, much, much larger, right? Much bigger than contrast media. So, because of the China plus one tailwinds or whatever you say, there's a lot of RFPs that we are getting over there. And then we have been, so well positioned in the sweetener business. And we are with almost all clients of the FMCG. The new generation or the next generation sweetener or the new sweetener that we will add will give a fillip to whatever turnover we are doing the sweetener business. Overall, I would say that today, all three product verticals are poised for a healthy growth.

Okay, sir. And my last question is, how should one look at your business? Should we look at the QOQ or just YOY? That is the question for you.

See, if you look at our performance for the last several quarters, you would see that we have been very consistent quarter on quarter. But then for any B2B business, particularly a C DMO business, a quarter may not be a very good indication. Right? So, I mean, there are businesses where if you will slice and dice, you will see a lot of consistency in daily sales. But this is not that type of business. That's all that I would say at this point of time.

Okay. Thank you, sir. All the best.

Thank you.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Shashank Krishnakumar from Emkay Global. Please go ahead.

Hi, thanks for taking my question. I think we did attribute to phasing of production this quarter. I just wanted to check if production leve ls in 1Q are meaningfully lower? There's also in connection with the gross margins. Given that we have very strong order book visibility. So, just wanted to understand that.

It's actually, maybe it's a wrong wording I had used. It's not phasing out of inventory. It's basically like reduction in inventory. I think that's the way you have to look at it.

So, production or utilization levels were not lower on a Q OQ basis, right? Just wanted to understand that.

No, the productions are based on customer orders. So, we have a very sustained production. So, this is something certain inventory produced in the last quarter got sold in this quarter.

Got it. Thank you. That's helpful. My second question was on the new launches that you pointed to in 2Q and 3Q. So, does that include the iodinated intermediate and any other launch from other business segments? Just wanted to understand which were the two new products that you were alluding to?

So, in contrast media itself from an H2 perspective, there's this iodinated AB HCL that we spoke about. And there is the backward integration that we are doing. So, these are the two material launches. However, there are a few other intermediates that we supply to newer contrast agents. These are newer applications with some innovators. These are all lab quantities but have a promising future. So, this is more about contrast media. A bout pharma intermediates. pharma intermediates also, there are new opportunities that we are tracking. As I mentioned that some of them are in phase 3 and late phase and a couple of them are already commercial. So, I think there are interesting opportunities there also.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Arpit Tapadia from IGE Family Office. Please go ahead.

My first question is regarding the land that we have returned to the authorities and got our refund back. Any particular reason is behind?

Actually, our application has been for a much, much larger parcel. But today in the red category, Gujarat does not have too much of land. So, we got about 8 acres. We took that, but then we felt that that was subscale because now we have spotted and in the process of finalizing a much, much larger piece of land. Therefore, it was logical for us to surrender this in view of the much larger parcel of land that we would be acquiring very shortly. And we will make an announcement about that, which is in step with the aspiration that the company has.

Got it. My second question is in line with the previous participant only. Since we have lowered down our inventory into this quarter and our sales at overall level is more than the previous quarter, then we must have ramped down our production level into this quarter? Ganesh Karuppannan Yes. Our closing inventory of finished goods is lower compared to previous quarter. And we have the production plan in place for Q2 and Q3, which will actually get back to the original levels.

Got it. So, what is our sustainable level of inventory that we want to maintain? Ganesh Karuppannan No, it is more than sustainable level. It is more to do with the customer order and because we make based on customer order, so it is dependent on that.

Okay. I will fall back into the queue for further questions.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ayush Agarwal from MAPL Value Investment Fund. Please go ahead.

Ganesh sir, this is a question for you on the inventory. I am sorry for harping on it again. But I do not believe that we record finished goods on the selling price. We record finished goods on the lower of cost basically. I am reading your annual report note which has accounting policy on finished goods. And it is clearly mentioned that we value at lower of cost and NRV. So, the overhead that we are talking which have been brought from last quarter to this quarter does not really make a lot of sense to me. So, if you can help us understand and even if I look at our past quarter cost of raw materials, they have never actually crossed 46%-47% and while I understand that pharma Intermediate has scaled up in the last 3 -4 quarters, when it scaled up in December '24, then also our cost of raw materials was 45%, which was the same in March '25 number as well. So, if you can really help us understand what happened to our gross margin this quarter, it would be helpful.

Finished goods is never valued on sale price. It is basically raw material plus associated overheads. Any direct overhead gets allocated. This is the accounting principle every company follows in valuing the finished goods. So, you can easily understand what is the raw material cost and what is the direct overheads which gets allocated. So, in a quarter where you have a larger finished goods, you would have actually like inventorized certain overheads, the direct overheads and if you maintain similar inventory levels quarter on quarter, you do not see that impact in the P&L. In our case, between Q4 and Q1, the finished goods inventory came down in Q1 to the tune of Rs. 75 crore, which is basically the raw material cost plus direct overheads allocated. So, if you just see what is the overheads which got allocated, the difference in overheads between Q4 and Q1 of this current quarter, the impact is close to 4%-4.4%.

That comes to around 17 crores-18 crores. Do you mean that we did not recognize that last quarter and our numbers were higher by that last quarter? Ganesh Karuppannan Yes. If you want to understand more clearly, if you just take the Q4 and Q1 of this, the calendar six months, you would get a gross margin of 53%.

Understood. Second question, sir, is on the Capex, which our CEO mentioned that we want to add 1,000 KL capacity in the next two to three years. And we start with phase I of four blocks, two of them for CMI, one for high intensity sweetener, and one in MPB block. Given the growth happening in the pharma intermediate molecule and given what our customers is preparing for in the future, why no CAPEX towards this as where I understand we are at 60 %, but why no Capex towards pharma intermediate in the next phase of expansion?

I think maybe the voice drained off and maybe you were not able to hear. Pharma intermediates is becoming an important part of the entire scheme of the company. There is one block that will come up in Mahad, which we very clearly mentioned, that's like a multipurpose block, will be catering to this segment. And even for our new big land parcel that we spoke about, our expansion plan for the future, there also we mentioned that there's going to be a multipurpose block which will be catering to this third pr oduct vertical. So, I think we are building up good capacity in anticipation of the RFPs that we have.

I think just to add on to that, as a company DNA, when we have a customer lock-in and a contract visibility, that's when we initiate a thought process of adding a particular block. And that's how we see in contrast media also, we believe that two additiona l blocks should be added due to certain discussions with the customers and the innovators.

Just to follow up on this, given that we are already doing backup integration into APD for our contrast media intermediates. And we are putting up two more blocks for contrast media. So, what could be the roadmap for contrast media from here?

The end formulation market is definitely growing. And from $6.7 billion in terms of end formulation is projected to become $10 billion in the next few years. So, in anticipation of this growth, we have a strong push from our customers also to add capacities to take care of these growing demands.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Bansi Desai. Please go ahead.

Hi, thanks for taking my question. My question is again on contrast media. So, if I just look at this business for us for the last two to three years, we've been, in that range, or in fact, you know, looking at this quarter's number at Rs. 97 crores, we are much below our quarterly run rate that we've seen in this business even two years back. So, from a Rs. 500 crore business in fiscal 23, we came down to Rs. 480 crores in fiscal '24. We came down to Rs. 400 crores in fiscal'25 probably because of customers, changes in the facility, etc. But starting this year, we are again at Rs. 97 crores. So, if you can just help us understand, probably two years back, we would have thought that end market is growing at mid to high single digit, Blue Jet launching more molecules, you should have been grown probably at mid -single digit or higher than that. And from there to here, we are still probably at this, run rate of 97 crores. So, are we going to see a step up again in this business from the new launches that you are guiding? And if one has to look at two to three -year view, maybe quarterly is not the right way to look at the numbers. I understand that. But if I have to take two to three-year view, how should one think about growth for Contrast Media? Ganesh Karuppannan Bansi, there are three levers. One is the largest customer, the forecast, whatever they have indicated to us, the iodinated product, and the intermediate for the gadolinium molecule. Now, if we look at all the three together, there is a good probability we should actually get back to the 23 levels. I think that is our aspiration. So, that's what we are working on. So, this would actually become a new base for us. If we could actually reach the 23 level in 25 or 26 , then we can actually bu ild on, you will obviously have the growth on the iodinated molecule, you will actually see the full year impact in FY '27. And the NC E molecule also would grow in 27 -28. And in the meantime, we do expect certain new opportunities, which we are actually planning from FY28, 29, what VK and Shiv en alluded to in terms of additional capacities for Contrast Media.

And how is the capacity utilization for Contrast Media, particularly you mentioned 60% at an overall level. Is it any different for Contrast Media?

What I mentioned was for the PI segment, that particular block that we had created, just to give a sense that should there be an increase in demand, we are well poised to capture that. Overall, I think at a company level, maybe 75%.

Thank you . The next question is from the line of Ravi Purohit from Securities Investment Management Private Limited. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Sir, I've been kind of reading our environment clearance report for the new Mahad unit, right? And in that, we have provided a list of products where we are adding capacities. And one of them is also API for Bempedoic Acid, right? So, I think so far we've been doing only the intermediate. So, in Bempedoic Acid, are we looking to add API facility, API capacity as well? And similarly, in Contrast Media, we are putting up two new blocks in the new large capacity that we are planning to set up over the next 2 to 3 years. Now, there also historically, we've been, are we kind of looking to add larger API capacities in many of these, where the value of the end product, of course, could be significantly larger than what we have been getting in the intermediate ? So, if you could just share some thoughts and some, color on where we are headed on either of these, both PI as well as the Contrast Media on the journey from intermediate to whether we will or will not be doing APIs.

So, if you will see our performance over the last couple of years, three, four, five years, you will see that our per KL realizations have gone up significantly and very consecutively. And our per kg realizations have also gone up from building blocks to intermediates, advanced intermediates. Now, both in our Contrast Media and PI, what we supply to our clients are very advanced intermediates, which are just one or two steps short of the final API. The final API could be a logical extension. But as you know, and Shiven also mentioned what the DNA of the company is, we always do it with a specific client lock -in and client interest. So, it has to come from one of our existing clients. We don't wish to participate in the generic space. As far as your reading of our environmental clearance is concerned, while the advanced intermediate that we make for Bempedoic is just two steps away from the final API. But then many a times we give a laundry list of products because going back to the EC for amendments of the product list is not very convenient nor efficient.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ajay from Niveshaay. Please go ahead.

Thank you for the opportunity. My question is on contrast media. So, as mentioned by the previous participants that the speed of growth has been slow, but we also believe the big scale can be achieved in this business with forward integration. So, sequentially, how or what are your expectations with this segment going ahead? And do we plan to forward integrate?

So, there's a clear roadmap for that. But as we mentioned that we always do it for the customers on a CDMO model. We don't participate in the generic space. So, I think as it pans out we will keep you updated. At this point of time, we cannot comment any more than what we have.

Got it. And last question. Again, this is on the inventory. You mentioned that there was under- absorbed overhead, and this is typically due to the lower production, which we also expect going forward to pick up, which will eventually result in sales or sales in coming quarters, which will result in better absorption of fixed costs. So, my question is, in case this doesn't happen, what are the steps being taken to absorb or manage these overheads going forward? And if you can also highlight the range of gross margins what we should look at, that would be helpful. Ganesh Karuppannan It is not under -absorption of overheads. It is the overhead inventorized in the previous quarter getting released to P&L in this quarter. Okay? So, it is not that, under-absorption is completely a different topic. So, this is nothing to do with under-absorption.

But in the press release, it has been mentioned the same. Ganesh Karuppannan Okay, I will just check on that. One minute. Because this may be like for you to simplify. If you just take the P&L of Q4'25 and Q1'26 P&L and merge it, you can actually understand the net impact and you would actually see gross margin is intact at 53%.

If I even back -calculate, the number comes down to 51.6%. So, I am not able to clearly understand. And in the press release also, it has been mentioned clearly that it's driven by shift in product mix, reduced inventory level and resulting in lower overhead absorption. Ganesh Karuppannan Okay. We will take it offline. I will actually explain the complete calculation on this.

And also, sir, last question. Sir, we have plans of fund-raise. So, if you can give details on what are the plans going forward for the same? Ganesh Karuppannan We are still in the drawing room stage. We are yet to finalize anything. As and when we conclude on this, we will actually communicate. Right now, we have just taken a shareholder resolution and we are still evaluating the options.

Okay, sir. Thank you.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Bansi Desai from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thanks again for the opportunity. Just on the PI -API for the cardiovascular product, it appears that the realizati ons have remained pretty stable, i s that true? And therefore, if the realizations, say for instance, were to remain stable and if we were to see increased uptake in quantity, should we assume this kind of run rate to continue? Ganesh Karuppannan With the current cost structure, our margins are intact.

No, sir. I was talking about the revenue for the PI-API? Ganesh Karuppannan Yes. I mean, as you know, Bansi, the molecule is doing extremely well. And I think what we have done at the annual level, that we should be able to maintain with some growth in that.

Okay, perfect. Thank you so much.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Abhishek Sharma from D&H Electrodes Pvt. Ltd. Please go ahead.

Hello. Good evening, sir. Sir, is there any cyclical pattern in the company's revenue organization? Just like that in the first half of the financial year, typically constitutes a lower portion of annual revenues compared to the second half. Ganesh Karuppannan We do not have any seasonality in our industry. It is all more to do with customer orders. Sanjay, you want to add on?

Sir, this is basically, this is all related to, we are into make-to-order. So, as and when order is there, we manufacture. So, there is no cyclical, it is not a formulation company.

Okay. Thank you. Ganesh Karuppannan Thank you.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Vidit Shah from Spark Capital. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Sir, two questions I had. Sir, one was, while I understa nd that inventory has hit the P&L , I would assume that revenue too would be booked in the same quarter. So, I am still confused around why margins have taken such a sharp decline, unless there were one-off overheads which have been recognized in the quarter. But happy to take that offline if you may. But my second question was on why are we seeing reduced levels of inventory? Why are we consciously reducing levels of inventory in Q1?

Basically, I mean, in simple words, it says the movement of COGS that is not going to those. So, if you see, whenever the inventory goes down, COGS goes up in simple accounts. So, that is the impact. So, inventory has reduced.

But the revenue would also go up in the same way, right? So, margins may not be impacted.

Yes, but the revenue has also gone up. But the stock was lying in the last quarter. It got displaced this quarter. Got it?

Okay.

So, the movement, if you see the movement, is the impact of CO GS. And of course, overhead and all is there, but this movement of COGS, basically. So, just minus raw material cost, which is the gross margin and remove the COGS, still the margin is around 52%.

Okay. Maybe we can take that offline. But if you could just help me understand why are levels of inventory decreasing? Is that a conscious effort? Or is this a plant maintenance sort of? Ganesh Karuppannan No, this is more of a customer's dispatch schedule. So, each customer has their dispatch schedule. So, it is more to do with their logistics planning.

Okay. So, would that be fair to assume then that Q2, the dispatches may not be as much as Q1? Is that how to look at it? Ganesh Karuppannan Not exactly. So, this is because we have our production schedule for Q2, Q3. So, whatever happened in Q1 should not have impact on the production of Q2.

Okay. Those were my two questions. Thanks for answering them and all the best. Thank you.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Kunal D hamesha from Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Hi, thank you for the follow -up question. My question is primarily on the peptide segment. If you could help us understand the capabilities that we have, what are our aspirations there, and then, what is the capacity that we are planning and where it would be Capex required, so that would be great.

See, on the peptide segment, we are working on peptide fragments. At the R&D stage, we are working on some peptides, but then what is more advanced and what we are discussing with certain innovator companies are the intermediates to the end peptides, some of them being the GLP-1 products where we are in a conversation with certain innovator companies for the intermediates. So, basically, we are working on the amino acid derivatives and peptide fragments. Till the time we build our multipurpose plant in Mahad, the smaller requirements that will be there in this segment will be catered to from the multipurpose plant in Unit 2. When the Mahad capacity comes in, that will address this business segment and demand. And as I mentioned that in the larger scale of t hings, when we have this much, much larger land parcel and capacity that we plan to create in the next couple of years, there will be capacity for this segment there also. It will all be in step with the client lock-in and visibility of business that we have.

So, when we say this fragments, would it be more like dipeptide, tripeptide or octamer, decamer, what are we trying to kind of achieve here? And then in terms of the technology that we would be adopting, whether it's chemical synthesis and on a large-scale basis, would it continue or we are also looking at the other type of technology available there?

See, as I mentioned that we are doing amino acid derivatives. We will not be making the amino acid, which are on fermentation -based technologies. As we speak, we have developed already about 45 peptide fragments. We are not in the library or catalog type of business, where we do 300 or 400. There's a big opportunity over there, but that's not what we are focusing. We are working on those where there's high conviction and client visibility. We are, since I mentioned peptide fragments, then we are not really talking about tripeptides, tetrapeptides or the decapeptides. We have in the new R&D center that we are creating, we will have one lab which will be doing peptide synthesis, but then the high conviction opportunities that we are tracking are more on the fragment side.

Sure, maybe I will take it offline. I need to get more details around this. Thank you for your answer.

My question also was similar to the previous participants' questions. Amino acid chains and the fragments are not very easy to establish. Is it something that we are working on and will eventually showcase to clients or we have already established certain processes and certain products on existing showcase to clients? Where are we in that? Is it something that we aspire to do or certain products or certain chains we've already established and it's only a matter of talking to the client, showin g to them what we are capable of and have a capacity to basically manufacture? Because what we understand is the chain is not very easy to kind of produce and replicate.

You need a specialized skill set for this, which we have. We have been working on this type of chemistry for the last two, two and a half years. We have a couple of scientists who are extremely good in this type of synthesis. As I mentioned, we are not in the catalogue business. As we speak, we are not venturing now. We already have about 45 peptide fragments which are already ready. They can be commercialized almost immediately. This preparation or readiness that we have is based upon customer interest. There's no blue sky gazing in this.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ankit Sahay from Fusion Capital. Please go ahead.

My question is on the gross margin. Rather than taking it offline, it would be helpful if most of the participants have this question so we can clarify on this here itself. Ganesh Karuppannan What is your question on gross margin?

You mentioned the right to look at a consolidated of Q4 F Y'25 and Q1 FY'26. Why to do that and why the revenue should be recorded in the Q4 itself and not in Q1? Ganesh Karuppannan Unless you make a sale, then only you can recognize the revenue. In our case, you have both finished goods and goods in transit. Certain finished goods are recognized as sale only when it reaches the customer destination. So, the finished goods has two parts. One is what we physically have it at site and the second one is in transit because certain Incoterms allows us to recognize revenue only when it reaches the customer. When you t ake both of this, you have this, t his is I would actually call it more as an aberration for this quarter. I would actually say this is more an accounting, the way Sanjay put it across. When the inventory gets released, this overhead absorption happens. I think had we maintained a similar finished goods level like last quarter; you would not have seen this impact.

Yes, got it. So, overhead from the last quarter is coming here because the inventory levels are reduced.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Saket from Sagari Capital. Please go ahead.

Thanks for the opportunity. So, we talked about a lot of traction as far as CDMO RFPs are concerned. So, could you share details around, say, how many projects we have currently across different phases, say, in Q1 and what was the corresponding number, say, last year just to get a sense of how has the product pipeline in the CDMO or especially in the pharma API/intermediate phase. So, how has that trended over the last year or so?

So, I think we all understand that this CDMO part where we are participating with our customers during the clinical phase or regulatory phase or the commercial phase, it's a slow burn. Today, as we speak, and I mentioned in my narrative that we are sitting on about 20 RFPs. Six of them are in late stage phase III or commercial. Right? Last year, I think the number was 11 or 12. I don't remember exactly, but I think it was 11 or 12. So, you do see consistent growth from last year to now. And some products ga in traction, particularly in the chronic space. And now, in addition to that chronic space, since we are looking at peptide fragments, that's a new opportunity that has opened up.

Fantastic. So, my next question would be, what is the typical asset turn for our pharma intermediate business? So, is it 1.1, 1.2? What's the asset turn?

Overall, at a company level, because our capacities are fungible, let's not go product category - wise or business segment-wise. But at a company level, I think we have clocked one of the best in the industry north of four.

So, is it that net block or gross block, that four we are talking about? Four would be a net block, I guess.

Net block, yes.

So, at gross block, if CFO sir can respond. So, I am just trying to understand, when you put in the new CAPEX, what kind of numbers would we expect on a gross level? Ganesh Karuppannan See, we have a pretty long-term plan in terms of our CAPEX. We will shortly come back with a bigger outlay, which will take care of the future expansion. Our assessment over a period of, if you take the next five years, our asset turn should be somewhere close to 2.5 to 3.

Okay. Now, thanks for the opportunity and best wishes to the team.

Thank you. As there are no further questions from the participants, I now hand the conference over to management for closing comments. Ganesh Karuppannan Thank you very much for your participation and we will see you in the next investor call. Thank you very much.

On behalf of Blue Jet Healthcare, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us and you may now disconnect your lines. (This document was edited for readability purposes.)